How Titus O’Neil Went from Underdog to WWE Superstar

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Hey everybody, less than 1%. We are back again. By the way, thank you uh for all that you do watching uh the YouTube,

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watching us uh on Instagram, but also going to Apple. Please check out all the episodes, but today I have someone

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special and we got to spend some time together. This is a little bit of a different experience for me because normally some people kind of fly in and fly out, but I got to spend some time

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with this amazing human. So, welcome to less than 1% that Bullard or you know aka Titus O'Neal.

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Now, I will say before we start like my nickname is Moo and I didn't even make that up. Like somebody called me Moo and

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I just answered you got a nickname Titus O'Neal. That's a legit nickname. [laughter] Your nickname doesn't make you money. Mine does.

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I'm I'm trying.

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Yeah. I'm trying to get I'm trying to get Mood to make me some money, but it's not it's not working out. Yeah.

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But welcome to the show, man. I appreciate it. Thanks, man. Thanks for having me.

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Yeah. And you know what's what's great about this is that like I said, you know, in the open, normally this is an opportunity for me to, you know, to get

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together with people. I always say that I'm not great when my friends are. And so, but we got some time to spend together. And

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I I would defy that uh that logic that you have.

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I think you're you're great and I think your friends are great, too. Yeah.

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Uh but I even think it's even greater in you. I I think you dumb down uh your greatness sometimes. And so I appreciate you.

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I appreciate you having me on and I appreciate the the kind words for me and the other guests that have come on, but I definitely will not allow you to

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diminish your light uh in in the in in the presence of of me.

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Well, I'm not going to argue with him because Yeah, I'm way bigger than you. Yeah, it's not an argument. It's not I'm not going to argue with him. So, I just I let that slide. I let it slide.

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But no, I appreciate you. So, so listen, let's just start off with um maybe you

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know I think people who who know you will will watch this and they'll see you um they've seen you in lots of different environments which we can talk about but

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then there's a lot of other people who are on the show that watch the show that are you know sort of the underrated uh those people that maybe not you know in the

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world so to speak and so they're going to see a different hopefully see a different side of you but what what listen what if If I had to ask what's

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your best known for like what is your sign, you know that one thing that's your signature thing, what would you say that was?

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I mean I I like to call say that I'm a discipline disruptor, you know. Um

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I I believe that I'm a very transformational minded person and I don't really do much in the realm of transaction.

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um simply because I think that every interaction that uh I've been afforded has allowed me to become a better

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person. It's allowed me to see my superpower as a person. Uh and as a person that

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grew up very insignificant to a lot of people because of my behavior, much like you was a bad kid, wanted to fight all

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the time. uh got into a lot of trouble uh to now being in a position where I'm very significant and my results speak

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for themselves. Uh whether it's through my foundational work or through just being able to pour into athletes,

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entertainers, doctors, lawyers, um teachers, kids, I believe that any room that I walk

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into, I can change it. And a lot of people feel opposite, you know. Yeah. They feel

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like, you know, where do I fit in? I fit in everywhere I go. Yeah. I don't really fit in, though.

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Yeah. It's like, uh, I always say, if you don't fit in, don't fit in, right?

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Yeah. I just I'm not trying to fit in. I know that I'm different.

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And before my difference again was looked at as the bad kid. Um, now I'm

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just focused on being a great man, a great father, great servant, hopefully again one day a great husband.

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um and a great friend. And so

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what do I feel uh a discipline disruptor is? I believe

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that a discipline disruptor is someone that on a day-to-day basis refuses to believe that this is how things should be.

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And just because they've been that way for quite some time doesn't mean it can't change. And I think a lot of people get discouraged uh whether it's

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in politics or religion or business. um they get discouraged by seeing the same

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old same old and uh it is disheartening but it's not discouraging to me because I believe

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that if I get the right people in the room regardless of their political affiliation, their social status, their religious beliefs, if I get the right people in the room, I'm going to make

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these people all go in this one direction and they're going to see their superpower. They're going to see their greatness. They're going to see how

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great they are. Um and I I mean, literally, I've been in rooms with billionaires that seemingly have

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everything and they they still are searching for that purpose in their life. And um

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I kind of help guide them right to that purpose. You know, don't just write a check. Let me take you to these situations so that you can actually see where your money's going.

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Yeah. And who knows, you might meet a kid or you might meet a family that you just absolutely fall in love with. And next thing you know, you have your

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chosen family uh that you had no idea that you were this white guy with a beautiful family living in the suburbs

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that would be fall in love with this minority family, whatever it is, Hispanic, black. Yeah.

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Asian, whatever.

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And you found a you saw a way that you can help this family. And then you watch that family's life change right before your eyes. You watch that family that

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did not have a home and you helped them get into a place and that you they were not eating, you know, around a dinner

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table and you helped buy the first pieces of furniture in their house. Um they were struggling to get to and from it because they were catching the bus

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and you bought them a car and it changed their life. if it give them an opportunity to be be able to be employed so that they can get to work on time and

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get their kids to school and participate in sports and etc.

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Um, I think, yeah, for me, I've had enough of those God winks moments. Yeah.

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In my life to to be able to confidently walk in and say, I can change this I can change this room in a heartbeat. I can change this situation in a heartbeat.

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And I'm not I'm very unapologetic about it, too. Like, I will tell people in a heartbeat, like, uh, hey, this is what I want to do. This is

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what we're going to do. and uh would love your support, but even in the event that I don't get it, we're still going to get We're still going that way.

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We're going we're going to get it done.

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You you are you are incredibly deep in the way you think and see things. And also, and by the way, we

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spent, you know, we played golf together, went to dinner.

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You also ask questions in a in a in a unique way. I don't know if you do this on purpose or not.

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And sometimes, you know, I don't know if you're paying attention. I'm telling, you know, I'm running my mouth and I'm texting.

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Yeah. And you're texting, by the way, that Okay, let's I won't wait. We We won't get to that part cuz I know what his superpower is, but I Let's get there.

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But you asked deep and profound questions. you asked me some questions where it's like okay um

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you know and it'll lead me to something else you said transactional your your interactions from what I can see are not

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the transactional even when you meet somebody or someone helping get in your clubs and you're asking them very questions that you wouldn't normally

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ask and I think that that's uh to me that's something I wouldn't just see with your sort of your profile out there in the world um so I I appreciate that.

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I want to I want to maybe maybe we should jump uh because you described it um well what you do with the foundation.

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So maybe Jordan, let's jump to the to that video because I think for I think people need to see it.

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Um this is one thing for you to describe it, but it's it is profound. I mean, you even got an award for it. Um the work that you do.

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So let let's play the foundation video.

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What does impact really look like? It looks like a child walking into school confident for the first time because they have a backpack filled with

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everything they need. It looks like a family showing up during the holidays and leaving not just with gifts, but

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with dignity, joy, and hope. It looks like communities coming together. This is the work of the Bullard Family

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Foundation. Over the past 5 years, [music] that work has reached hundreds of thousands. 300,000 toys placed into

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the hands of children. 200,000 people served through back to school initiatives.

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150,000 backpacks filled with opportunity. But the real impact goes deeper. It's the student who received

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their first new pair of shoes. The young athlete cleared to play because of a physical they otherwise couldn't afford.

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the child who can finally see clearly after receiving an eye exam and [music] glasses. It's the families who now have reliable transportation. The students

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who received dental care, the simple but powerful dignity of a fresh haircut. And just as important, it's how we care for

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what people carry on the inside. Through a robust mental health and wellness program, young people are given space to

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be seen, heard, and supported. From summer video camps that allow them to tell their stories to art and music

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therapy that give expression to what words young right there to ewine therapy with miniature courses and programs like kids and canines that

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create connection and comfort. It's conversations with mentors. It's family wellness days that bring healing into the home. Because impact isn't just

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about what we provide. It's about how we help people feel. And beyond that, it's investment. investment into safe spaces,

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into football fields and a street hockey rink, into community gardens that bring people together and create access where there was none. Because this foundation

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isn't just meeting needs, it's building futures. Every number represents a life touched. Every program represents a

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door. Every moment represents a chance to change the trajectory of someone's story. And tonight, that story continues because of you.

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Wow. That is That is powerful.

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That is powerful. By the way, was that Buju Banton on stage? No, that was uh Flow Rider. Oh, that was Flow Rider. Okay. Okay.

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I'm fairly sure he would be pissed if you if you answer the question.

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Well, I did. It just flashed. No, I'm just I can edit. I can [clears throat] edit it.

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No, no, you're good. No, he would. He rider would not care. Okay. Okay. Okay. Cuz he's supposed to come on the show. Yeah.

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You know, um, so that that that is powerful. And that what's behind that though?

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What's behind Well, there's a lot of people that come up from, you know, hard hard situations, hard lives, some harder

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than others. But there's something in you that I notice there. One thing we talked about yesterday

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that'll lead into that question is you've turned down a lot of opportunities to to make money. So, you're turning down opportunities to

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make money just by doing whatever, but then you're also pouring into people. Where does that come from? What is that?

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I don't think I've ever been motivated by money. I've mot been motivated to obviously uh get into a position where money wasn't an issue.

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But I've never been motivated by money. And as I got older and started

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coming into wealth and started coming into, you know, what I I went from wanting or thinking to be rich one day

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and like I'm I don't I don't care about like rich people go broke. Wealthy people, their kids know, you know, we

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talked about this yet. Like my kids know that they will always have a home to live in. you know, whether I'm

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here or gone, they'll always have a house to live in.

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Yeah. you know, and um not having a father growing up to lead me and guide

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me through certain things as a man um really started allowing me to in my opinion

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like take the advice of strangers and not even look at them as strangers, look at them as angels.

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Yeah. You know, I had a lot of angels in my life that came in that didn't make the most money, but they were the most impactful people in my life.

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And I've made a commitment to be an angel, you know, uh, and even great angels fall

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from the graces of normal people, but I'll never fall from the grace of God.

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And I look at my name, my name's sake, and how it's all in the Bible. You know, Thaddius was one of the chosen 12 disciples. Michael, one of God's favorite angels.

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And my last name is Bullard, you know, and the first four letters of that are bull.

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I'm a Taurus to the T. And so I've always had a very rebellious spirit about like just being normal.

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So wealth to me is not just what you have in the bank, but it's also the relational currency that you have.

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Yeah. and learning how to build uh relationships uh that are meaningful.

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And so you alluded to it earlier like you know I I do talk to people a lot more than what normal people do. Most people go to a golf course and yeah

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they drop their bag off and they keep going and I'm like hey man, you know and some and sometimes they notice me right out of the gate and it's like oh man I'm a big fan you know this and that. Yeah.

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And then I'll have an actual conversation, you know, like where you from, you know, uh how long you've been working here, you know, because I think

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a lot of people are walking around this earth unseen. Yeah.

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Or being feeling like they're unseen and having this star as, you know, a celebrity, but also having this light

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inside of me as a vessel of God. Um I'm just uh I'm I'm happy to be able to share it.

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Yeah, we talked about this in in relation to sort of in relationships, but you know, I think that

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what I seen you I have I have it in a different way with me is that people who interact with you, people who meet you or engage with you, their lives should

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be better some way, shape or form. it, you know, and I think a lot of times when you do have that celebrity, people are looking for that transactional way of elevating their their lives.

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But I I I see that, you know, how can you how the way you interact with people is is

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really focused on making, you know, that experience with them better.

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And which led us both to the conversation we had about parenting, which I I think I told you yesterday, I hate I hate being a parent. Mhm.

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And people are like, "What are you talking about?" Because I am just so emotional about it.

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It's just to the point where it's overwhelming. If I was reincarnated, I know that's not a thing, but if it was a thing, I feel like I would want to avoid

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it because I go high with them and I go low with them. But both of us are passionate about that responsibility.

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I mean, for me, it's it's literally my number one.

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Yeah. uh responsibility to make sure that I think for any I think for any man it should be it should be it's the greatest title you ever have.

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Yeah.

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You know, father um father, father figure, mentor as a as a male.

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Yeah. regardless of your culture or background or whatever. because I think there's been so much

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uh I don't need a man conversation that

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uh some people have really subscribed to believing that and I believe that every human on this earth needs a man and a

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female to have good balance and have a good understanding of how to deal with emotions and feelings and facts and

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logic go thinking and uh just growth points in your life. You know, there's certain things. I mean, my mom my mom

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had me at 12 years old and she raised four boys to the best of her ability. Yeah.

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As much as she as hard as she worked, you know, to put food on the table to make ends meet that never met, my mom

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out of all the things that she could do, the one thing she could never do is be a man. she could never be a father to me.

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Um, and that's not a bad thing because that's not her assignment, right?

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You know, right? Um, it was thrust upon her to even have me as a kid. Uh, she was a kid raising kids and um, yeah, it

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was traumatic for her. I wasn't there. I just was a was was produced through it, you know. Um,

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and I I I think that is one of the reasons why I'm so open about where I am with it. My mom

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hasn't, you know, really shared much with me about her experience. And I understand that trauma is different for everybody. But as a man,

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you know, I have grown because of my trauma. I've grown because of my understanding of how

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to navigate through it, how to communicate it, how to communicate it to my kids. Um, when I got divorced, and

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I've said this several times, it was probably that time for me where as a man, I just felt like, you know, why am I even here?

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Yeah.

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And my I have said this publicly several times on both podcasts and and speaking

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engagements. My kids saved my life. If I did not have my kids, I don't know that I would be where I'm at today as a man or even here to be honest with you.

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Yeah.

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Because the divorce and the process of divorce, you know, it felt like I felt like the biggest failure ever. Um,

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you're talking to a person that has never been on a losing team my entire life. I defied every odd in my family

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history. I broke every generational curse. I'm the first person to graduate from high school, the first person to graduate from college, first person to

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own a home, first person to travel the world. like all these firsts and there's a huge

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responsibility but also there's a um there's this expectation

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consistent and constant expectation of those that have not achieved certain things in their life that you're just supposed to

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provide those things because you made it right and I remember having a conversation with my boys they were probably 11 and 13 at the time and I'd say what what's

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your vision of what you want to do in life, you know, and both of them play football. They both play at the

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University of Florida, which is my alma mater. Um, and you know, they were like, you know, I

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want to you want to, you know, they want to go play they want to play pro football. They want to own businesses.

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They want to buy me a house, buy them, buy their mom a house. And I'm like, stop. You don't got to buy me. Yeah.

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You know, I don't want that pressure on you at all. You don't have to buy your mom anything.

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Like before you buy me anything and before you buy your mom anything, make sure you're set up. Yeah.

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Buy yourself a house. Cuz you see it all the time where guys make it to the league and they they take care of their family members and then they get injured

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or they get cut and now they're living back with their mom or they're living with their relatives. Yeah. Because it's not a house that they own.

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they bought it for someone else. And I want my kids to know that like that's my responsibility is to put you in the best

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position possible. That's your mom's responsibility is to give you a a runway that we didn't have. Yeah.

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You know, Yeah.

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so that you can take off further than I ever would have taken off or that I ever did take off as a kid. Yeah.

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You know, God blesses us with resources and opportunities for a reason. It's not just to like store them up.

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It's our responsibility. I tell that people all the time like the idea that um some people have an idea especially in our community they

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have the idea that oh they I struggled and I made it so they should struggle too. I think that's such a poor like no like

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there if you look at generation people talk about generational wealth part of that is what you hand down and you got to have your you know 41 all

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these different things but the other part of it is yeah like you said you start here the next one starts there the next one starts there so eventually

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um they can fly farther than they than you ever thought you know you could someone want to ask so like Mother's Day right Mother's Day

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I mean you can't get a reservation on Mother's Yeah, I said all the time, Mother's Day is celebrated, Father's Day is tolerated, 100%. And I think also if you look at

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like content, you know, in general, because I'm always focused on content being consumed, right? It's it's people are pouring into

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mothers appropriately. So, appropriately so. I don't want to say that we should. Yeah. No, 100%.

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But I think the idea of pouring into fathers or at least supporting them, at least framing what that is, um, is

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something that is needed. And I wanted to ask you, you know, because I have my own feelings on this and that, but I want to ask your feeling like

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all of this stuff that you've been through, all this you you built this empire both personally and professionally, but there's there's pain there.

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Oh, yeah.

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And and I mean, you already threatened me once, just for the record, y'all. I already got threatened. Who's my boy?

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And he threatened me once already. But is there I mean exterior is like hey rock solid strong

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wrestler football player but is there were there times where there was sadness there? There are times where absolutely

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you know you can't face people in public because you got that sadness inside? Absolutely.

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Yeah. I I started doing mental health counseling in 2017. I lost a very close friend of mine and I've like I've lost a

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lot of people, friends, family members, etc.

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Um I I've never processed those losses. M and

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I lost a lot in life that I never processed because in sports it's like next next play next play

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next play next game you know you review it figure out what you did wrong keep it moving

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and um I started going to counseling and I realized like there was a lot of things that I probably didn't know how

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to communicate or didn't feel vulnerable enough to communicate about myself to my kids, to my friends.

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The the uh idea of telling people no made me cringe. Feel like I always had to, hey,

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can you speak here? Yeah, I got you. Can you can you can you help me out with this? Yeah, I got you. And it's like

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there's a book, you know, that that my counselor gave me, the subtle honor of not giving up. Yeah.

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You know, and it's just he asked me this question.

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He said, you know, if you were the wealthiest man in the world and you can change two things, what would they be?

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And I said, no one will be homeless and everyone would have food because I felt like those are the two

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most viable things that people struggle with. And he said, "All right, I'mma snap my finger now. You're going to go broke,

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but you're going to be able to change a lot of people's lives. Are you happy about that? I said, "Yeah." Said, "I'm snapping my fingers.

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You spent all your money. Everybody has a house. Everybody has food. How do you feel? You feel like you changed the

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world?" Say, "Yeah, I do." He said, "All right.

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Does that solve you? what what you just did, does it solve all the world's problems?

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Does it solve everything that you are passionate about? Does it are kids still passing away from cancer? Are women still dealing with breast cancer? Are men still dealing with prostate cancer?

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Is cancer still an issue for a lot of families to deal with?

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Um, our schools still underfunded. Our teachers still underpaid.

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So, you're you you've done something that's awesome, but you haven't changed the world the way that you really want to change the world.

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Something's got to be told no. Yeah.

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Some things have got to be not prioritized. You make everything a priority. Yeah.

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Cuz you feel like because of your guilt of, well, if I don't do this, you know, I'm going to have to hear this and I'm going to have to hear about it from this

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person and yada yada yada. Like, I really don't care now.

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Yeah. you know, like if if I don't want to do it, I'm not doing it. Yeah. And if I want to do it, I'm doing it.

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And I've kind of I feel like I've always been that way, but I've never been able to express that as openly because of my

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pain. Uh because of my fear of rejection. I didn't want to make someone else feel rejected by me telling them no.

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Yeah.

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You know, yeah. you know, you um you described yourself as a disruptor. Um and you know, that's my whole thing is

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disruption and and you you already um I mean, I could have saved some time and just have you write the book since since [clears throat] you you already had the

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description in there, but the idea that no, people don't really understand what disruption really means. There's disruptive, which you and I both can be and we have

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been in life, but then there's disruption where it's really about rejecting that status quo. And it's not just whining. Like I I there are a lot

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of people uh that that that make a living from complaining and criticizing and oh they should have thrown this pass

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or or why did they you know pick this player but there's not too many people that can say part of my disruption is actually I'm going to solve

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that status quo problem and I'm going to put every effort into it even though I know I can't. Yeah.

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Well, the other part is is that I don't have to know the answer.

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I I think empowered people empower people.

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So yeah, I may not be the one that knows the answer to this particular problem, but I guarantee you if I pick this phone up, I'm going to find somebody and I'mma

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fire their ass up so that we can go and get it done together. Let's go.

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Because what they can't do, the rooms they can't go into, but they have the idea. They have the solution. They have this the the the the power to change

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something if given the right opportunity. I can walk in that door and say, "Hey, this is what we want to do, not this is what I want to do."

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Yeah. That when we becomes when me becomes we, amazing things happen. My pastor um who

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passed away uh several years ago, Pastor uh Greg Poe used to always say, "When me becomes we, amazing things happen." Yeah.

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And so this is never this is never about me. Like don't take it personal. Just because it's coming from me doesn't mean

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it it's it's me. It is a we thing. You know that's that's that's an amazing comment because I don't think enough of us and

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who are in in in positions of I wouldn't say power but positions of influence in whatever fear everybody walking on this earth is in a position of power.

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Everybody I can when you you want to get motivated to work out you want to get motivated to live a better life. Come

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with me. Let me take you to a children's hospital and you see a kid that's 9 10 11 years old that's been fighting cancer

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since they was 6 years old and they can still have a smile on their face. You're not a hero. I'm not a hero. That's a hero right there. That's a hero right there.

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That's a hero% right? You want to see how uh you how how blessed you are that go to a hospital where someone is is dealing

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with their their their family member has, you know, Alzheimer's or or whatever. like be be in those situations where they're constant caretakers at a very young age.

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Yeah.

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Of their grandparents or even their parents, you know, it'll snap you right into reality of like how much power you truly possess. Yeah.

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And I think a lot of folks, and we talked about this on the golf course, most people walking around right now are

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are operating on a mediocre level at best. At best.

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And then those that are operating a little bit better than that are average at best. Yeah, greatness truly does sometimes take a

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traumatic situation happening for someone to actually see how realize how great they are and how great they are

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they can be. I can show you story after story after story of folks that you know they they come from a a diabetic family.

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They come from a family that has so many different health issues and then they were started to struggle with these health issues. They were on 22

32:20

medications, right? And then they just said, "You know what? I'm just going to change the way I eat, start working out." And now they look like nothing's ever happened

32:29

to them. They look like the epitome of health. And now they're encouraging and motivating other people to do the same thing. Like, we all have superpower in us.

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Yeah.

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We're all powerful people. It's just a matter of whether or not the right person activates what that is or the

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right situation or the right traumatic situation, right? To to to catalyze them. But I'm going to edit that a little bit, okay?

32:55

And it and it takes a special person and I'm going to give you a little bit of a I'm going to disagree with you and risk my life.

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No, no, no. No, no. I I love healthy. I love healthy dis.

33:06

I know. I know. I'm just playing. But I think that everybody has that power in them. Mhm.

33:12

I agree with that. But the special people share it. Yes. Do you understand what I'm saying?

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Cuz people will Well, you talked about we feel like it's their it's theirs. Yeah. I did this. I did this. I did that.

33:25

It's like, bro, no, you you had a coach. Yes.

33:28

That gave you every single opportunity to be your best. Yes.

33:35

And you screwed it up a lot. But your talent overtook that. Yeah.

33:39

But the discipline that it took to go to class, the discipline that it took to show up on work at workouts, like you didn't just show up this professional

33:47

athlete, this professional person, you know, like doctors, you know, they can be egotistical, too. Pilots can be egotistical, too.

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And it's like somebody helped you along the way.

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This is not a you none of us have the ability to say, "I did this." Especially if you're a believer in God.

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Yeah, like he's the ultimate source.

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We just benefiting from the resources which will all change. Everything's circumstantial. Like don't I always tell people never make a permanent decision

34:18

based on a temporary situation. And honestly, all of it's temporary. Yeah. It's all temporary.

34:24

You know, you can be high today and low tomorrow. Life situation can happen to any of us at any time. We're all one

34:32

situation away from being in a better situation. And some of us are in a one situation to being in a dire situation away and

34:41

to you know uh I mean Jeremiah 29:11 is one of my favorite Bible verses for I know the

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thoughts that I have of you thoughts of great things you know and expected end that it supersedes anything that I could ever

34:58

imagine like people what's your five you know I folks ask me what's your fiveyear plan I stopped doing five year plans

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about 20 years ago because I realized a long time ago, it doesn't matter what I plan out. If it's not in the will of God on my life, it ain't happening right.

35:15

Some of it will show its face. Some of the things I can say, "Oh, I want to do this and I want to do that." It'll show its face. But if it's not in the purpose

35:23

of what God has called for me to do and be, it's not going to happen. And that's for anybody. No matter what God you serve. The realistic is we all are born

35:32

with the same great anatomy but all of us are born with different purposes in life and all of us are a body the body of the kingdom

35:40

and those principles to your point 5 year 10 year two year whatever it is those principles if you keep them close to you like you

35:48

do you're making those micro adjustments every day or macro adjustments you get an opportunity today that you didn't think you were going to get and you're using those principles

35:56

to dictate what your future will be I would not have a nickname a alias

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if I went with what I felt like I was supposed to be doing.

36:08

My passion was I'm going to coach college football. I got denied a high school coaching job. I got divorced, you

36:15

know, uh within a matter of two weeks, I got denied a high school coaching job.

36:20

My divorce was finalized and I signed with WWE.

36:27

Like I'm thinking I'm going to the University of Florida hopefully become an assistant football coach now that I got didn't get this job high school coaching job that I should have gotten.

36:37

I always, you know, publicly say when I get a chance, Richard Shanti is my hero, you know, when it comes to my second

36:44

part of my life because had he hired me as a high school football coach. And I always say, and I'll thank you again, Richard Shanti, I've made so much money

36:52

and traveled around the globe, and I never would have done that if you would have hired me as the head football coach at Chamberlain High School in Tampa, Florida. So, I'm forever grateful. My

37:00

kids went to private school. They're in college. Um, I'm debtree. I'm stress free. I'm looking right in the camera

37:07

right at you, Richard Shanti, because I I I love you so much. And thank you. And that's sometimes what you have to do to

37:15

people when you get denied. Your high school coach cut you years ago. Michael Jordan has that stuff like he got cut. Yeah.

37:22

And he can thank that guy cuz it pushed him to something that ultimately ended up changing his life, you know, get fired from a job.

37:32

Well, sounds pretty similar. I mean, I built a whole brand based on my, you know, uh, my coach, right? You know, doing the same thing. And

37:41

I do I I agree with you, uh, that, but tell to dive into that a little bit. So, you're going through this down and then you

37:49

you you know, this whole WWE thing comes out of the Yeah. out of I mean, thin air basically.

37:55

Yeah. Literally. I mean, I was picking up a pair of dress shoes. I had a taste for some jerk chicken. There's a place in, you know, you know about jerk. you.

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Yeah. Yeah. You what?

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Um, and there was a place called the Jerk Hut in Tampa. Yeah.

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And they had a location on Gandandy Boulevard, right around the corner from where I was picking up my shoes. And Dave Batista, who's one of my best

38:18

friends, uh, had all we talked about several times, hey, you know, trying out for WWE, but I I never I mean, I watched it

38:27

growing up and I loved it. My grandma got into fights with my mom.

38:31

Yeah. for allowing me to stay up to watch Monday Night Raw, you know, on a school night.

38:36

Um, and so, but I never saw myself doing it. You know, even in college, like I used to have pool parties and

38:43

I would tell people Yeah. I would tell people, you know, hey, don't don't don't come here dressed up like you coming to the club. It's going to be a consequence

38:51

of pay. And, you know, people had to find out the hard way. You know, the whole crowd started yelling Goldberg,

38:58

Goldberg. when I come and spear girls, guys, it didn't matter. Don't come here dressed up. It's my pool party. You know what I mean? That's the only time I can say this is my thing.

39:08

Um, everybody got it.

39:10

Yeah. Everybody got it. Adults. Yeah. It didn't matter.

39:14

Um, and so like for me and then I get in and it's the hardest thing I've ever done.

39:24

Would you just go back a little bit before you go to that? Then you then then he tells you, you know, go go check it out.

39:31

Yeah. I called him. I called Dave. I say, "Is this a place you've been?" Because we they we our training facility FCW used to be in Tampa,

39:38

and that's where all the guys went to train and rehab, etc. And I'll pick up the I'll say, "Uh, I think I'm going to

39:45

go in and poke my head in the back door and see what this place is all about." And he said, "Yeah, asked for Steve Kern or Dusty Rose." I said, "Who?" Dusty,

39:54

you talking about the American dream, Dusty Rose? and he was like, "Yeah, he, you know, he's he's one of the guys that leads a lot of the talent there and stuff like that. He works with the

40:02

company." I was like, "Yeah, I'm I'm gonna go check it out." So, go back to the back door. The back door says clearly says FCW and WWE talent only.

40:14

I open that door like I was already there. Looked up. Normally, they were bunch of guys walking working

40:22

out in the ring. Uh, I didn't know it at the time, but they were getting ready for TV that night and um Norman Smiley looks down and he says, "Can I help

40:30

you?" And I was like, "Yeah, I was coming in here. A friend of mine, Dave Batista, told me to come in and try to see Dusty and Steve and uh take a look

40:38

at the place." And he said, "Well, they're not here right now, but I'm sure they would like to talk to you. Uh, we have a show tonight. Maybe you come back and talk to them after this show." So, I

40:47

went back to North Tampa, picked my boys up from daycare at the time. Uh they were three and five. Wow.

40:54

And we went back uh to the show and I looked over at TJ. I was like, "Is this something you think dad can do?" And TJ was like, "You could do anything, Dad."

41:02

And I looked over at Titus. I was like, "You you want dad to try to do this?" And he shook his head. Yeah. And 15 minutes conversation afterwards. And I

41:11

didn't think anything of it. I just talked to him, the Dusty and Steve. I'm driving home. John Laurenitis gives me a call. He's the head of talent relations

41:19

for WWE. He's like, "Hey, I just got off the phone with Dusty and Steve, and they spoke really highly of you. So, we want to bring you into for a try out, see if

41:28

you like us, see if we like you. Um, you know, we'll pay you X amount uh per day.

41:35

And, uh, you know, are you in shape?" I say, "Well, I've never wrestled a day in my life, so I don't know what wrestling shape is." You know what I'm saying? I work out, you know, and that's about it.

41:46

Uh, because I did I just continued to work out. But um he's like, "No, he's we want to see you move around and and

41:54

teach you how to take a bump and stuff like that." I was like, "All right, cool. When when when would you like to try to set this up?" He's like, "Uh, are

42:01

you free tomorrow?" Like, "Tomorrow?" It's Friday. Uh yeah, I can be there. Uh he said, "So we'll work it out Friday,

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Monday, and Tuesday and see how it goes and then we'll go from there." I was like, "Okay, cool." So, I went in Friday

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and it was the hardest thing I've ever done.

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I mean, I was so sore, bro. Like, football has nothing nothing on this.

42:26

So, was was Dave still wrestling at that time? He was still wrestling. Yeah.

42:30

So, did did you already have some insight as to what kind of somewhat? I mean, yeah, somewhat. You

42:38

know, um I knew it was real. You know, the outcome is predetermined, right? But the actual physical, I mean, it's real.

42:48

Yeah. When you're jumping off the top, I'm catching a grown man. Yeah. Or a grown man catching me. There's nothing fake about that.

42:54

Yeah. Picking something up. If I throw this bottle at you and you're going to flinch or catch it. If I throw this top at you, you're going to feel it, right?

43:01

You know, so those chairs are real. The ladders are real. The tables are real.

43:05

All that stuff that people think is not real. This is real. And you know, you're always like this close away from something wrong happening.

43:11

Yeah. Something bad happened. I can imagine. So when I say that they're the best performers in the world in WWE, they are literally the best performers

43:18

in the world. There's even with their mistakes. Yeah. Which are, you know, they happen.

43:25

They're the best performers in the world because they do it on live TV for 52 weeks a year globally all over the world.

43:36

160 something countries on television.

43:39

And some of those countries only have three stations, so they see them three or four times a day. Wow.

43:44

You know, and so, um, yeah, I probably was the fast, actually, I was the fastest hire that John Lurit has ever had, but that came with some heat, too.

43:54

You know, um, you see a guy that's 65, 280 walking in the door and you're, you know, 511, you this is all you ever wanted to do.

44:06

Yeah.

44:06

And you already know the company's looking for big superheroes. Yeah. Yeah.

44:10

You know, that that was that was an adjustment, too. But my work ethic kind of outpaced all of that stuff, you know. That's awesome.

44:17

And um I always tell folks like there were other professional athletes that thought they could just walk into

44:25

this business of professional wrestling and sports entertainment and they got humbled really quick. Yeah.

44:32

And they, you know, actually you don't hear about them like you No, you you never hear about them cuz they don't make it.

44:37

They don't make it. They don't make it past the ones that I I mean I'm I don't want to call anybody out, but um do you I don't know if you remember the

44:45

because you know we're in the we're in the basketball world.

44:48

I respect our kids. Uh but um the Twins uh from Miami, the Cavender Twins. Yeah.

44:55

And I remember them. Remember they signed the NIL deal.

44:58

Yeah. They signed and all there was this jump and like there was all this stuff and then you didn't hear anything and

45:05

then they were back. Then they went back to college basketball. So well I think well with our NIL program with WWE you still continue. My my son

45:13

TJ is actually on NIL from WWE. Doesn't mean you stop playing sports. Okay. Got it. Got it. Yeah. It just means that there's an avenue for

45:21

you if sports don't work out that they have you in the system. They have you on the radar. They bring you around. You

45:29

learn the culture. You start learning the faces that are in the locker room.

45:32

You ask questions. you take advantage of the resources that come with WWE and our platform and uh and and working uh with

45:41

our social media team how to create content, what to post, what not to post. Okay.

45:46

Uh how to post it, what times a day to post it, all these things that a lot of folks are making mistakes with. Yeah.

45:52

You know, now you have I mean we have more followers than all the sports organizations combined. It's it's in a m it's a machine.

45:59

Yeah. So to not take this this platform and and and make the best of it Yeah.

46:06

would be crazy, you know. And so for me, I always even when I played football, I always said this is what I do for a living is not who I am for a living.

46:15

Yeah.

46:15

And I think the reason why I'm so respected in the locker room and with the company um is because I've always remained a solid dude, you know, and

46:24

I've always spoke up when I needed to speak up about something. Um, and sometimes it was not the most diplomatic way to do it, but I they always knew

46:33

where they stood with me and I always knew where I stood with them. Yeah.

46:37

And um, you know, I I love every person in that locker room. I love the backstage hands.

46:43

I was just with them uh, you know, last night. And, you know, just everybody, I miss you, man. And I miss

46:50

you and this and that and but I don't I don't miss bumping every night, you know. Yeah. and taking a 4-hour car ride after a show

46:57

and doing it again the next morning and this and that.

47:00

So, um, but I just I love the best the the greatest thing that I

47:07

love about WWE is is the ability to bring people together.

47:13

Yeah. that you know in front of their televisions or in arenas and let them escape their realities for two hours,

47:21

three hours, sometimes four hours if it's one of our premium live events because some of those people that are coming to those shows are dealing with a lot of stuff.

47:30

Yeah.

47:30

I mean, I was with a kid last night that again, 11 years old, beat cancer. It just came back, you know. I took him backstage.

47:42

I I got him merch, made sure he had great seats, him and his mom and his sister.

47:48

And it's those moments for me that like supersede any any championship title.

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47:55

You know, people forget that I was the first ever 247 champion.

48:01

I forget sometimes, but I never forget how much money I helped raise for Susan G. Coleman. Yeah.

48:07

How much money I helped raise for the V Foundation.

48:11

You're you're you're built different, bro. I mean, I know I mean you I know that you uh espouse all of these

48:19

qualities and criteria that a lot of different people meet, but just like you did to me in the opening, I think you you you definitely built

48:26

different like just even our interaction you being on less than 1%. like you know this you're you um

48:35

you the the deepness by which you look at any time you're going to spend your time. I can tell why like you came in with, you know,

48:43

disruption, all those things that we espouse in less than 1% you you embody.

48:48

But I also got to say, uh, transparently speaking, Yeah.

48:54

uh the to have the ability to go on a podcast with a with with a doctor

49:03

that doesn't have to practice unless they want to but is still building a

49:09

hell of a business with Vuitity and encouraging people. And I walk through the office and I see all the

49:17

sayings. I see all the motivational quotes. I see your office which is tremendous. Um, and I see all these

49:25

things and then being able to, like you say, sit down and have a meal with you, talk with you, talk to your wife on the phone. Um, know that you've been married

49:33

for 30 years. I aspire to get married again and I hope you I mean, I'm 49 now.

49:38

I hope I can live to 30 years of marriage and beyond, you know. Um, and you talk about the your own I mean you

49:46

open up to me about your own personal things that were going on with being burned like right out of the gate and your wife sticking there with you and

49:55

then your son and his health condition and just a whole year of like trying to

50:03

re like Yeah.

50:04

work. Yeah. Yeah. And it's it's you know as man to man but specifically in this

50:11

setting black man to black man. Uh you are a superhero. Like I can't I I met my

50:19

first brain surgeon, African-American brain surgeon like five years ago. And I've I've literally sat with the crown prince of Saudi Arabia.

50:30

I've sat with presidents. have and I'm like we just we added a medical magnet to the middle school that bears my name

50:37

on it and it's like I want people to I want our kids which are 100% free and reduced lunch kids, black and brown kids

50:45

to be able to say here's a doctor, here's a brain surgeon. Yeah.

50:50

You know, here's an anesthesiologist right before you. You know, here's a person that leads a hospital. Here's a a head, you know, nurse. Here's a

50:58

radiologist. here's all these people that look like you um that can give you a vision of where you can be.

51:06

Yeah.

51:06

Because in their circumstance, they don't see that.

51:10

And so even with like you say, everything that I do is very transformationally driven. Like

51:19

there's certain and I won't say it because they might have a a deal waiting on me, but there's certain pizzas that I just won't ser or pizza change that I won't serve kids cuz I don't eat it.

51:28

Yeah, you know, um I won't serve families anything that I wouldn't serve my own family.

51:36

Just won't do it. I won't give any kid a toy that I wouldn't give to my own Yeah.

51:40

kids. That's why there's a mandatory requirement like the gifts that I give to families uh in partnership with Metropolitan Ministries, they have to be

51:49

at $25 or more. I think that a good quality gift at least cost $25. Yeah.

51:53

Cuz you get a 12-year-old kid that gets a a plastic bag with teddy bear, a coloring book, and

52:01

you know, some crayons, and it's not meaningful.

52:04

No, it's not. And it's there's no dignity behind that. Yeah.

52:07

Like everything I like I I don't do rap gifts. Yeah.

52:10

Cuz as And people say, "Why would you do that?" Say, "At 12 years old, I got a really nice remote control car from this white lady at the Boys and Girls Club."

52:19

And she bought it to me and she said, "I I bought this gift specifically for you." Wow.

52:23

Because I wanted you to have a nice gift. I kept that remote control car until my junior year in college.

52:30

My college roommate Johans and Daryl um are the reason why I don't have that car now. And I fought with them for about

52:39

two or three days about that car. And to them, it was just a car. To me, it was the first time at 12 years old. I'm getting ready to go to the boys ranch.

52:47

Um but at 12 years old, somebody said, "I bought this specifically for you because I wanted you to have a nice gift." M and I had batteries with it and

52:56

everything. It wasn't just the car. It was everything I needed to let the car work. Yeah. And it was unwrapped.

53:02

So, I saw right away it was something that I wanted or I didn't want.

53:06

Kids that are coming from circumstances that I came from, uh, they're told, "You're only good enough to eat this kind of food. You're

53:14

only good enough to wear these type of clothes. You're only good enough to live in this type of house. You're only good enough to live to go to this type of school." And I it's it's bull.

53:24

Yeah.

53:25

You know, like everybody has the right, especially in the greatest country in the world.

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Mhm.

53:33

To have the best of the best. We brag and boast about it all the time, but we we're really not the best when it comes to certain things.

53:42

Yeah.

53:42

We're not the best at healthcare in this country. Yeah.

53:45

You know, uh we're not the best at treating our veterans like they serve this country. I say we're not the best at compassion. Yeah. We're not It's very transactional.

53:55

Yeah.

53:55

You know, and um we lead the world of mass incarceration. We lead the world of mass shootings. Yeah.

54:01

I've traveled the world, you know. Um Japanese culture, we could learn a lot from them. Yeah.

54:07

They You go over there, it's the cleanest place you ever go.

54:11

They don't I don't even think they sell gum.

54:13

Yeah. You get into a taxi cab, it could be a 1999 Camry. It It will smell like a 2026.

54:20

Well, there's that video after that uh World Cup game. Oh, yeah. They clean up. Clean up. Yeah.

54:26

Jameus Winston, one of my Yeah. We talked about him. Yeah.

54:30

Out there cleaning up with him. I'm so incredibly proud of him. Yeah.

54:34

And but it's just like the only time we're truly great in this country is in times of tragedy.

54:42

Yeah. hurricane hits, see the best of the best of people. Thoughts and prayers. Thoughts and prayers. Thoughts and prayers.

54:48

And then two days later or three days later, we go right back.

54:51

This Nolan Wells things have me sick to my stomach. Yeah. Like Yeah. It's tough. It's tough. Sick to my stomach. Yeah.

54:58

But there are tons of stories Yeah.

55:02

of black and brown kids missing. Yeah.

55:06

Murdered. It's the history of this country that nobody wants to talk about and seemingly wants to erase.

55:13

It's like I've never seen an image my entire 49 years of living. I've never seen an image of a white man or a white woman hanging from a tree.

55:24

Never seen it.

55:27

So true. I've never seen an image of a white man or a white woman being hosed down by

55:33

water fire hoses or being attacked by dogs by from police. Yeah.

55:39

I've never seen a white man or a white woman be told they can't sit a certain place.

55:48

I've never seen blacks only signs. Yeah.

55:53

Never seen that. You know, it's interesting you say that just a thing that I always say every on presentations I go to

56:01

because people want people want to bait you.

56:03

You know, I'm I'm the only black CEO in this space and they want to bait me into what whatever they want to promote.

56:10

Yeah. And I tell them all the time, I said, to your point, when you look historically at the stories,

56:17

actually take away um what you know about race, just take away just call them call them the uh

56:25

Americanites. Call them, you know what I mean?

56:28

If you look at this story and if you watched it on TV, you would feel so terrible about what happened to this this community of people that

56:37

was only a community because they were brought here. Yeah.

56:39

And um and so I what I what I notice right now is in our culture um there's a little bit of the victim culture where

56:48

everybody you know you talk to people like hey I was treated badly because I was you know I lived in you know I'm from Toronto

56:55

or I'm from home so and so and say yeah okay you you might have been but if you listen to this story this is not just somebody treating one

57:05

person badly because you're from Toronto. Right. Right. This is a whole structure.

57:09

Yeah. Systemic system of privilege in just and demeaning and demoralizing a group of individuals because of a certain thing. It's unprecedented.

57:20

Yeah. Yeah. And I can't attribute this to this current administration alone. Like I, you know,

57:27

folks always say I believe that. So to me, I believe that the heart of America is has always been amazing.

57:37

Yes. The heart of America. Yes.

57:39

The soul of America has always been dark. Yeah.

57:42

You got to remember how this country was founded. Yeah.

57:46

How it was built, how people made money, how systems were

57:52

put in place. I mean, I'm I'm oneif of a man. This is written.

57:57

Yeah. This is written by people that are in this United States of America. Yeah.

58:03

You have Junth and you have Independence Day. Yeah.

58:07

Two different stories being told, two different narratives being told. Yeah.

58:11

You know, we can celebrate both and still tell the truth.

58:15

We talked about that that the number one impact of sports or, you know, whether you know, whatever it is, stories. And I

58:22

love how you said that there's these two stories that are two weeks apart.

58:25

Yeah. Two. Yeah. I mean, they could play the Super Bowl a week after they find out who's playing in the game. Yeah.

58:31

Why don't they? Because they got to build story. They got to build up.

58:34

It's got to tell all these stories about the offensive lineman that, you know, lost his dad at such and such time or this, you know, kicker that wife is

58:43

battling X, Y, and Z. This and that. You got to get people invested because if it's not my team, why would I care about the Super Bowl? Yeah.

58:50

You know, why would I care about the Super Bowl if I don't even watch football? Oh, the halftime show.

58:56

One of my favorite artists is performing. I want to see what they do there. Yeah.

59:00

You know, and everything in our lives is storytelling. It's story first. When people meet you, what's your story? They

59:09

want to know where you from, you know, your parents, this and that. Any relationship you build is story first. Yeah.

59:16

So, why can't the change in this country start with story first?

59:21

Stories 100%. the real story, not made up on either side, right?

59:27

You know, real stories, right? And then let people draw their own conclusions from that story. Yeah. That that are built on truth. Yeah.

59:34

Like here, this may not be your truth.

59:37

You may not have ever experienced this, but I've seen it time and time again. To my white friends, I tell them all the time the conversations I have to have

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59:43

with my children, my black children, when I'm handing them a set of keys to a car in regards to how you have to

59:53

perform if you ever get pulled over. Yeah.

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Yeah. I mean, I'm I'm the worries that they have about, you know, the worries that I have about my kids going off on a boat with their friends.

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I I'll just be honest. Yeah.

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We talked about this in our family like no you're not you're just not going like and that's to your point about these conversations that happen.

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If a bunch of friends are getting together and you going out to some island if I don't Yeah. If I don't I mean my kids friends

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can't stay tonight at my house unless I know their parents and unless I've talked to their parents. 100%.

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My kids can't stay at their house unless I know their parents. Yeah.

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Unless I've had conversations with their parents.

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Yeah. And I we may we may be on completely opposite ends of the the spectrum on a lot of things, but it's

1:00:46

some things that like I feel like are basic morals and convictions and values that I think every household should possess no matter where you come from

1:00:54

which which in that case no matter what happened. Yeah.

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There were that those basic fundamentals. I mean, if if he did slip off the boat or whatever, the fact that you wouldn't immediately call somebody,

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oh my gosh, he just slipped or we pushed him or whatever the case may be. So, the fact that you can come all the way back and like, I don't know where he's at.

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Hours after Yeah. Not cool.

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Yeah. And the fact that also too, it's Mississippi, which the history Yeah.

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you know, there. And I'm I'm not again I'm not saying any of this to make this this uh all Mississippian people are bad

1:01:30

or all white people like all black people are this and it's it's it's just telling the truth.

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Yeah. It's just sit it's just a situation.

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And so if we want to talk about like the 1% Yeah.

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Like part of that 1% is being able to be truthful to reality.

1:01:48

Yeah. like, "All right, this I may not like where I'm at right now, but I'm sure as hell ain't going to stay here." Yeah. And it's how you break boxes, you know?

1:01:56

I talk about all the time. The way you break boxes, you have to be truthful about the box that you're in, you know, and whatever. And for us, in

1:02:04

different ways, you get to points in your life where you're like, you know what?

1:02:08

I I don't like the way I am or the direction I'm going is not the right direction. We we joked about me fighting all [clears throat] the time.

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Yeah. Yeah. You know, like an alcoholic.

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Everybody else knows every if if one or two people call you something, a drug addict or alcoholic, four or five people calling you that, they everybody ain't lying.

1:02:29

Yeah. You got a problem, bro. Yeah.

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And until you recognize, I have a problem and you want to do something about it, you will continue down this pattern of destruction.

1:02:41

So, America has to realize at some point we have a problem. We have a problem accepting people for where they come

1:02:49

from. We love the cultures that are celebrated here, but we don't want to afford everybody the same opportunities.

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Yeah. It's it it's like you to this whole immigration Yeah.

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thing like this country literally would not be what it is if we did not have the melting pot of cultures in it.

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Yeah. So you you don't want Hispanics here. You you don't want, you know, people from the Hispanic culture here.

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You know, you don't want them here. All right. Don't stop celebrating Cinco de Mayo so much then, right?

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All right. Stop listening to certain music.

1:03:25

Stop eating certain foods. If you're that militant about culture and people being in this country and you feel like

1:03:33

you own this country, then don't participate in any of those things. Yeah. Which is which is I mean

1:03:41

again I think it's a shame because I think and I've said this on the podcast before I'm I'm I'm apolitical. Like you

1:03:49

look at me like I'm I'm Canadian. I'm Jamaican. I'm here in America. So I really don't get caught up in teams.

1:03:55

I don't either. But what I do know I will say this publicly I think both sides are full of and this is there are some that are

1:04:03

making great moves this and that. But like they argue on the floor and then they're eating a steak together in a back room at a steakhouse, you know.

1:04:10

And at the end of the day, just like you did in the foundation or we do. It's funny because we for everybody that's watching this,

1:04:18

we literally just met for the No, that's not true. We met when he my dad uh begged me to take a

1:04:25

picture with him at a big three event and then since then um you know what you do in the

1:04:33

foundation exactly what we do in V2 cares you know I'm watching it I was like you know haircuts like all these ways to dignify people

1:04:40

who in some ways have lost their dignity but I back to the politics I just think that if you and I will

1:04:47

disagree on something but we still can get together and do great work.

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I mean, we ate the dinner, went to dinner the other night. I like seafood.

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You don't eat seafood. I'm like, what's wrong with this fool? His brother's from Jamaica. Yeah. It's weird.

1:05:01

And he don't eat seafood. Like, he goes and he goes fishing and doesn't eat.

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Yeah. Yeah. He goes fishing to don't eat fish. Like, who who does that? But like, to that point, for me, everything always comes down to

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people. I love people. I don't care where they come from. I don't care what they have, what they don't have, because

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I say this all the time that people invested, people Yes.

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invested in me when they had nothing to gain in return. Yeah.

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So, a lot of those people, they wrote checks to the Boys Ranch. They wrote checks to the Boys and Girls Club. They didn't know what kid was going to turn out what kind of way.

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They just did it blindly. They volunteered. They did all these things.

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So, how do I repay those people that I don't know and they don't know me?

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Love it. Love it. I repay them by doing the exact same thing for others.

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So loving and investing in people when I have nothing to gain in return. My return is already in heaven. Yeah.

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Like literally like my dad will say that your return been advanced. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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You actually got it ahead of time. So you got work to do.

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Okay. But that brings me to another point. So, you know, definitely and a lot of people are going to look at this and say you are a lot deeper,

1:06:16

you know, um uh than than sort of your external persona. But, you know, I obviously after watching

1:06:24

this, they're going to know different than that. But I ask a question to everybody on the show um that I'm very interested and I did not cheat. I don't know your answer.

1:06:33

So, you're going to get an authentic reaction from me. But a superpower is something that we talked about intrinsically to you. Something you do

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1:06:41

without losing energy. Something that you do all the time. Something that if we call 25 people and you say, "Hey, you know what do you

1:06:51

think Moo's superpower is?" You may not get the exact word, but you're going to get some rendition of it. So for you, what is that one thing? What is that one? You might have multiple qualities.

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What What is that one superpower you'd say you have? I'm a transformational leader.

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I'm going I will I will force you to think outside the norm.

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And I I will man I will manifest and I'm a great manifesttor. If I tell you I'm going to do something, I'm going to do

1:07:25

it. And if I tell you you're capable of doing something, you're capable of doing it. Now how we go about getting there

1:07:33

that's all the you know those things I can't give you details on I just know that if God gives me a vision then um it can it is possible.

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Now what what so how do you what is the motivation behind that? What I'm going to dig

1:07:49

deeper here a little bit like what is the the skill or the quality or the feeling that you have behind that

1:07:57

transformational leadership? can't is not an option.

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I was told my entire life what I can't do and it was all a lie. And then I believe in God and the Bible says I can do all things through Christ.

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Yeah.

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So if I know for a fact that God has given me the ability to do something, it may be difficult but it can be done because I'm powered by God.

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Yeah. I get empowered by what the these people that come into my

1:08:32

life to help me continue to believe what God has already shown me. Yeah.

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And sometimes that's all it me is. You get one word from one person um that tells you that you can when everything else is telling you that you can't.

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That's my superpower. I'm never going to tell you what you can't do. What I will say is, "Well, maybe we do it this way, right?

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Or maybe try it this way. Or maybe maybe your idea is actually for some else, but

1:09:00

if you partner with them, something that's supposed to be for you will make more sense. Right. Right.

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But you know, a lot of people don't want to partner. They want because it's it's me. My my my my thing. My thing. My thing.

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Uh every successful artist that I know, every successful artist that you know, they have a whole team of people.

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Yeah. writers, producers, you know, staff members uh that make sure they get to their flights. Yeah.

1:09:29

You got a whole uh media company that's promoting you on different platforms and you have photographers and you have this

1:09:38

entire team that you don't even realize like if it's not for these people, I'm nobody. Yeah.

1:09:45

Yeah. You know, and that's for me it's like I want you to know everybody is somebody and every everything has the

1:09:53

ability to grow. Everything nothing's ever dead. It's just dormant. That's what I church. Yes. Nothing's ever dead is dormant.

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Yes. Yes. Nothing. Yeah. Nothing Nothing's ever dead. It's dormant. Yeah.

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And sometimes people, you know, even in relationship, oh man, you know, this is over. like, you know, they don't want this and I don't want this and yada yada

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yada. All right. What's dormant in that relationship? What's been abandoned?

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My business is is dead. No, it's not because with the right resource and the right people,

1:10:32

this thing is is just it can it can change like that. No RP. Yeah.

1:10:37

Yeah. We have uh So, it's funny you say that about K. So, I have I think on the back of my wristbands and on the We had some t-shirts at Essence.

1:10:46

It's like tell me I can't and see what happens. You know, you tell me I can.

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But you say, "Hey, Moo, you can do it." Like, all right, I might I might try whatever. You tell me I can't.

1:10:58

Tell me I can't write a book. You tell me I can't put out an album. Like, what?

1:11:02

Watch this. You know, so I I definitely So, okay, now we have to validate it. So now we're going to get on the line with somebody you think by the by the way yesterday.

1:11:12

Yesterday no two days ago at dinner and I don't know what we're doing and he gets on his phone. All I hear is you

1:11:21

know like FaceTime and I'm like okay. He's like hey say hi to Moo. And I'm like what scam Carlos Moo's around.

1:11:28

Yeah. He's like hey say hi to I was like hi.

1:11:31

Yeah. Yeah. No he thought I was another black guy sitting at a bar. They just saw his back. I'm like, "Bro, you used to work out with me every morning when we was doing this damn show." And I was

1:11:40

like, "You acting like you acting like the white people. All black people don't look alike." [laughter] So that gave him a hell of a kick kick. So he facetimed

1:11:47

me uh cuz he was just laughing about the whole thing. And I was like, "Yeah, I'm at dinner in Dallas, bro. Like nowhere near Las Vegas right now."

1:11:56

So we're going to call We're going to call one or a few people and see if we can validate your superpower. You want to set them up?

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1:12:07

Hey brother.

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Hey. What's up, bro? Hey, just just give you a I'mma give you a your own speaker phone and you uh

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talking to a few hundred thousand people right now. So, uh don't call nothing don't say nothing crazy. [laughter]

1:12:27

No, I wanted to uh I'm going in Moo. I'll let Mooie introduce himself. Yeah. How you doing?

1:12:35

Doing great, man.

1:12:36

Good. Sorry to bother you. We he uh we got that is here on our less than 1% podcast and uh we ask him a question and

1:12:44

then we uh we want to validate it. Not that I don't believe him. Um but we want to validate it. Uh and he chose to call

1:12:52

you. And so would you mind answering a question or two? Absolutely.

1:12:58

All right. Appreciate you. So, we ask everybody on this podcast about their superpower. You know, what is their superpower? That thing that is special

1:13:06

to them that only they can do. And he gave us an answer. Um, but we wanted to hear from you.

1:13:14

Okay.

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Man, I'm going to say he I always tell an impact architect. Like he he he knows how to pull people together. He he he

1:13:24

intentionally creates opportunities for people. Oh, man. I can go on. I can write a book about it but um I keep it short. Um but most of the things that

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I've noticed about him by making impact you know he not only impacts people around him but anybody come in contact

1:13:40

with you know I mean just one conversation with him is transforming you know um he loves transforming communities and organizations you know

1:13:49

getting them think beyond you know just themselves and just being selfish. So he he knows how to see the thing that's

1:13:56

dead and and bring it to life and not only impact the person that is close to it, but the people that's around it and

1:14:04

their families as well. So I would say his his superpower is is impact.

1:14:11

So just for the record, he did not text you this, right? I mean this is this is eerily similar to what he just said to us.

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Listen, we talk so much, man. We gonna say the same thing. [laughter] We talk literally every day. So that's awesome.

1:14:27

And me saying that mean we we've been we've been talking about it because that's that's what we do when we come when it comes to impact man. We spend countless hours just talking about it

1:14:35

and just just how God is just transforming lives man through us and and just man he just he has a big heart to help people man. And that's what I

1:14:43

love about my brother. You know, you know, one thing about it is one thing's for sure, if you can't, you can't talk

1:14:50

less vision around him, he going he going to find a way to to bring vision out of you. So, don't don't come around here talking

1:14:58

about you can't cuz he he gonna find a way to find out yes, you can. You know, what can you do? You know, and I'll say this last. I'll say this too, like even

1:15:05

when it comes to money and people want to give money to his organization, like he don't want people just giving them money to the organization. He want them to come and be a part of it because it's

1:15:14

one thing to write a check but it's another thing to understand what your check is doing to people and seeing people's hearts change and their lives

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changed man is it's is worth more than money. So that's why I say he's a impact architect because that joker is

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[laughter]

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that's what he is man I I love him so much man he that's what he does. So yeah we gonna say some similar thing because that's what we always talk about man. So that's awesome. That's my brother.

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I appreciate you, man. Uh I'm I'm probably make one more phone call to somebody just just to further validate what I Yeah.

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You know, not not that I I ever was in a position, but this is a 1% podcast where they going to put you in a position where

1:15:57

we need evidence. [laughter] Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

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Well, I appreciate you, man. Thank you for your time. Thank you, brother. Love you, bro.

1:16:10

I gotta say I think I I I think this is word for word, word for word, word for word.

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I'mma call Ara who set this whole thing up. Yeah. Yeah.

1:16:39

Hello. Hey. What's going on, Arma? I'm sorry, Davis. Oh, I need you to pick up your pace.

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There's several hundred thousand people here. I don't want you to sound downtrodden talking to me. We uh

1:16:55

we on um Did I catch you at a bad time or like what's going on? Go ahead, I'm sorry.

1:17:03

Oh, okay. I got I got Dr. Mu on the phone. Um Okay.

1:17:08

So, he he uh he does something on his podcast where he ask a question to the

1:17:15

guest and then calls has the guest call someone or a couple people to validate whether or not

1:17:24

that was kind of something that was being said just because it sound good or if that's something that they truly are.

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Okay. Um, Dr. Mood. Yeah. Hey, how how are you doing? I'm doing well. What about yourself?

1:17:40

Oh, doing great. Doing great.

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Oh, why you sound so much hyper when you talk to him and you talk to me? What's going on? Yeah. Oh, you see how she shifted? Oh.

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Oh, I'm doing amazing. How are you?

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[laughter]

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Oh my god.

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Well, um, yeah. So, thank you for coming on. Thank you for being excited uh when you when you uh when you spoke to him and when you spoke to him.

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Um but we asked we asked Daddy a question about um his superpower and [clears throat] we wanted to validate it by asking you what do you believe his superpower is that thing

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that's special to him that only he can do.

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Okay. I would say that consistently trans transforms

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his mission and his vision into a reality throughout his whole entire life from overcoming

1:18:35

different adversities to becoming a global ambassador, a philanthropist, a father, an author, an actor, a respected

1:18:44

community leader. He has demonstrated that purpose, faith, and turning

1:18:51

obstacles into opportunities is definitely in his DNA. Um, more importantly, he inspires others to

1:19:00

envision a greater future for themselves and equips them with the confidence and

1:19:06

hope and resources to pursue it. So creating a ripple effect of positive change in individuals and families and communities is just who that is.

1:19:18

I mean, I'm getting nervous about this because everybody we call has exactly the same description.

1:19:25

How did Michael Jordan do when he hit them like six threes [laughter] in a row in the finals?

1:19:29

You put your hands up, you're just like, "This is me." No, but that's Yeah, it like verbatim.

1:19:35

But it's just, I think, a testament to, you know, the impact that he is having and and again the time that I've been here

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uh with him. I I feel it, you know. So So we we we're laughing because we appreciate

1:19:48

how consistent uh this has been in an analysis of his superpower. Okay.

1:19:56

Also was I'm glad is he behaving over there. Look, don't record that. Well, we we we we've had some issues, but we'kept it under we've kept it under wraps.

1:20:05

I've only said about three or four cuss words, but they that's what I was referring to. He ain't dropped no bombs, did he?

1:20:13

But we did we did we did sense a little tweak in the accent when you got on the line, which I'm going to talk to him about when we get off here.

1:20:21

A little tweak.

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Oh, okay. Well, she tweaked for me, so I figured I'd tweak for her. You know what I'm saying? [laughter] Cuz we here tweaking. Yes, you got it.

1:20:32

All right. Well, I appreciate it. Sorry to take your time and sorry to hit you spur of the moment, but this is such a good segment for the podcast. Um, people uh really love it.

1:20:41

So, thank you so much. Oh, absolutely. Thank you. Thank you. You're welcome. Bye, Dad.

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Okay. Okay. Bye. Bye, D. Bye.

1:20:58

Oh, man. That was Yo, you he was two for two. Yeah. Yeah, you can take the headphones off. Okay. Yeah.

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Um, not No, no, no, no, no, no. That's just That's not a two for two.

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That's like a That's like a That's like a like a four for two. Like I mean it's not just what you said or you know, hey,

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I'm like mine is relentless. My my superpower is relentless. I just we'll keep going. And I talked to you a little about my compulsion to just

1:21:24

you know, kind of keep doing more and trying to be great. Um, but they were consistent with their description of you. So that that was that was I mean

1:21:32

that's probably been one of the besides um besides um Marty um two at the top.

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Yeah, Marty Bennett was I mean his like I mean it was the same way but besides that it was the closest. All right. So I have two more questions.

1:21:47

We got to we he's got to catch a flight because I I'm not going to be a responsible host by sending him home late. No.

1:21:53

Um so two questions. One is is there something that you can tell us here on less than 1%? You told us a lot that I think um had been said other places and

1:22:02

some that hasn't, but can you think of one thing that that you know has people don't know about you um or that you know

1:22:09

some you know something that has happened to you that you've never said before, you know, in any podcast or any interview?

1:22:17

Um, I love people, but I don't like crowds,

1:22:27

if that makes sense. Like I I like celebrity. I I think I told you this. I don't really like celebrity. I don't like everything that comes with except

1:22:35

for the free stuff. [laughter] Um, I don't like it because people automatically start treating you like a

1:22:42

a circus animal, right? You know, you wouldn't go up to a a normal human being and just be like touching them and poking them and like,

1:22:51

"Hey, you know, can you can you take this picture? Hey, can you do this? Hey, can you do that?" It would be considered rude.

1:22:57

But people do it as celebrities and athletes and entertainers all the time and then they wonder why folks crack or break. Yeah.

1:23:03

Like we're human just like everyone else.

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Um we just are extraordinary in a different way, but all of us are extraordinary. We're all human, you

1:23:15

know. We all have this, like I said before, we all are born with the same gray anatomy. We're just superstars in different senses. Yeah.

1:23:22

But I just think the humanity goes out the window sometimes when people talk about certain celebrities or

1:23:29

athletes. Um, you know, how you going to call somebody sorry you in the stands? Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

1:23:36

Like how you going to critique somebody Yeah. music when you can't hold a note at all?

1:23:42

We talked about that. Yeah. You know, like so it's just like I love people, but I don't like crowds. Yeah.

1:23:49

You know, I'm I I am much more happy at home. Like I redo my home like two or three times.

1:23:58

We talked.

1:23:58

Yeah. I've done it. I would say three times over the last five years.

1:24:04

I just wake up one morning like, "Oh, I'm get doing new furniture. I'm going to change this out. I'm going change this out. Do this." I think the other thing that like I

1:24:13

probably haven't spoken about as openly about is um

1:24:24

I really want to know what my assignment is going to be when I go to heaven.

1:24:31

I think a lot of people that are, you know, talking about going to heaven, you know, I mean, you ask them, you want to go to heaven or you want to go to

1:24:39

hell. Most people, it's like, I want to go to heaven. All right. What are you going to do when you go up

1:24:46

there? What's going to be your job? A lot of people think people just up there chilling and drinking and this paradise and this and that and yada yada yada.

1:24:54

You have assignments up there.

1:24:57

is you still want to you still want to have an impact. That's I'm g I'm going to I tell folks all the time like I'll never die.

1:25:06

I will never die. That is Bullard will never die.

1:25:10

And even when my earthly body leaves here, I'll never die as long as there is a family or a kid or an adult um and

1:25:18

there gener like people that I've impacted somewhere along the line. If there's enough of those people living, I'll never die.

1:25:28

Yeah.

1:25:29

And so I I I live my life not based on my passion because my passion can change. All of us our passions can change. It's really based on my purpose.

1:25:38

Yeah.

1:25:39

So I'm thinking about the afterlife of like you know everybody's like you you travel here, you do this, you do that, you do

1:25:47

that. Yeah. But I'm still thinking about the afterlife. That's why I perform the way I perform here because all my treasures are stored in heaven.

1:25:55

That's why I don't care about money like that.

1:25:57

I don't think I've ever heard anybody they really talk about heaven as an end as an end. And you're you're the first person I've ever met

1:26:05

that said, "No, I want to know what I'm going to do there." Like what's the assignment? Not even not even what I'm going to do. What job are you going to assign to me when I'm here?

1:26:14

Cuz we're way makers up there, man.

1:26:16

That's awesome. you know, like and that's I think a lot of people need to understand like the things you do here on earth.

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Uh those are skills developing for what you going to do up in heaven.

1:26:27

And you know, our treasures are stored in heaven. So no matter how much money you make here, like where's the true treasure at? Yeah.

1:26:35

True treasure in your family.

1:26:37

Because you can talk to your family from up there, too. Yeah.

1:26:41

I mean, I talked to my grandma every once in a while.

1:26:43

Yeah. I remember conversations that I had with my grandmother every once in a while. I remember Patrick Manugg, the white guy from Chicago, Illinois that told me, "I love you and I believe you

1:26:52

at a very pivotal point in my life, you know, and there are coaches, there are teachers, there are people that spoke

1:26:59

life into me that are not here anymore that I can still remember to this day where I was, how certain things smell,

1:27:07

like how I felt." and the eight-year-old Thaddius and the 80-year-old Thaddius will never be too far apart. So once you get past 80 for

1:27:16

me, I'm like, "Okay, well the average lifespan of a man doesn't reach 80 years old nowadays." Yeah.

1:27:23

Especially in this country. Now you go other places like they living till they're down there 100 105 because the food's better. Yeah.

1:27:30

And the way of life is better.

1:27:33

So, I I I I think about this often like when I leave here, what what am I what do I what what am I

1:27:42

going to do and how will God use me up there? Yeah.

1:27:48

And that that that that enhances my ability to do everything. That's why it it accelerates everything. Like, no, I got to do this now. We got to do this

1:27:56

now. People always like, man, that dude gets stuff done. I have to. Yeah. I don't know. I don't I don't know. what tomorrow brings. I don't.

1:28:04

And when I go up there, I want to I want to have that same vigor. I want to have that same excitement. And if God says, "Hey, I need you to sweep over here in

1:28:12

this corner for the next five years." I'm I need to be adamant about doing that because I'm trying to be faithful

1:28:20

in the little so that I can avail in the much. Yeah. Yeah.

1:28:23

And that's what a lot of people want new cars, but they're not even taking care of the one they got. They want to live in a house, but they're not taking care of the one that they're renting, you

1:28:30

know? So, how can God bless you with more? How can he bless you with a bigger platform when you're not even utilizing what you're doing right now? Yeah.

1:28:38

So, so the people out there, you talked a lot about um you know, tell me I can't see what happens. A lot of people who consume this podcast and follow, you know, read less than 1% all that stuff.

1:28:49

Um they're out there. And if you could speak to them and uh if there's one thing that you would tell them to encourage them to keep their fight

1:28:58

going, what would you what advice would you give them?

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Don't make a temporary decision, a permanent decision based on a temporary situation. And it's all temporary. Like

1:29:08

just because you are down right now doesn't mean you're going to be down forever.

1:29:13

Everybody has pivotal moments in their life that things don't look as well and great as they should. They have it with their health. They have it with their family. They have it with their

1:29:21

finances. They have it with their jobs, their occupations, uh their careers, you know. Uh you take anybody that's served

1:29:29

in for our military for 20 plus years and then they decide to retire and they're only 40ome years old because they did it out of college or they did it out of high school uh high school.

1:29:40

That's a hell of a pivot to wake up in the morning and not be and have this freedom of not having to worry about

1:29:46

ordered steps. Now you got to order your own steps outside of the confines of what you've done for the last 20 years.

1:29:54

There are people that get laid off after 25 years of service. And it's like, man, why me? Why not you? You know, maybe God

1:30:02

was removing you from that situation because you got comfortable in the the the mediocre. You got comfortable in the average. You know, these people weren't doing what they were supposed to do and

1:30:10

you still just roll with it because it was a safety net. Yeah. You know. Yeah.

1:30:15

Well, I would say this. I'd say you know um you know thank you mo first of all thank you for coming um thank you for

1:30:23

you know not just coming and um really participating you poured into me as a as a as a as a brother

1:30:31

um you poured into this my platform this podcast you know you poured into people out there when they watch this so thank you because I know I know I've been

1:30:39

listening to you on the phone by the way we did not talk about the fact that this is the number one Oh I was supposed to do this his I I don't care what his friends say.

1:30:49

His number one superpower is his multitasking. This dude, listen, I'm the CEO of a $3 billion company and I was I

1:30:58

was I said to somebody, I was like, "Maybe I should start texting my team more cuz he literally texts an email. We

1:31:05

talked about B-roll for the podcast." 3 minutes after I told him, I get a bloop on my phone that the email was his

1:31:12

ability to multitasking. You talk about impact architect, it's not just the arch architect for me that I see. It's the doing. And that

1:31:21

comes, we talked about sports and everything. So, just I don't I'm going to end the podcast. I know you're going to try to argue with me, but

1:31:28

number one multitasker in the history of humankind.

1:31:32

Um, but before I let him go, I I want to give him something. And I waited to do it on camera just because I uh So, I

1:31:39

give everybody that comes a signed book and I write a little note in there. So, I'm going to give it to you here on the podcast. So, we

1:31:47

I know this ain't a manly thing to do to put it in the box, but there's no uh fun.

1:31:52

We didn't There's There are no fluffy things in that box. Uh but anyway, just a copy of the book and wrote you a little note in there.

1:32:00

Appreciate you. Enjoyed our time. Love the impact you are having. Keep disrupting and changing the game. Thank you.

1:32:08

Appreciate you, man. And brother checking. No, there's no money in there. There's no money.

1:32:13

I ain't know. You say you wanted to you wanted to bless me with something. You know, I was a little extra. You know, that's how it happens. You know, when

1:32:21

you get your you you get that birthday and the first thing you do is take it and they like you need to read it. I'm like, I read your opportunity. You say,

1:32:29

"No, your treasures are in heaven." Yeah, they are. Yeah, you're [laughter] right.

1:32:32

No, no, not when you have to get on a flight. I'm not willing that. I'm not willing that. But appreciate. Thank you. No, thank you.

1:32:39

That is Buller. Yes, sir. Come check him out. Oh, wait. Please, I would encourage all of you out there not to just check

1:32:47

out the wrestler, the Dancing with the Stars personality.

1:32:52

Go check out his book, Wrestling with Fatherhood. He has several books. Go to Instagram and really look at the other side of what you may not see when you

1:33:01

just see the celebrity. So, I mean, this this guy's deep beyond measure. I got a I got a new brother. I got to step up my game when dealing with my brother,

1:33:08

though. uh get get in the weight room a little more. No, you're good.

1:33:12

But I appreci I appreciate you for coming, man. Thank you for having me. All right, sir.

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