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March 31, 2025

Part 2: How Hasan Minhaj Disrupted the Status Quo

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Hasan Minhaj

What truly makes someone successful? In Part 1, Hasan Minhaj and Imamu Tomlinson unpacked what it means to challenge the status quo—whether in comedy, healthcare, or life. They explored how breaking cultural and professional barriers leads to real change. Now, in Part 2, they go even deeper.

Minhaj reflects on his journey at 39: the power of persistence, the art of the pivot, and the lifelong pursuit of integrity. He shares the defining moment of his career (Homecoming King), cold-calls family members to discover his own superpower (toxic positivity?), and questions what truly makes someone successful.

Meanwhile, Tomlinson opens up about his unconventional path—how he ended up leading in healthcare, why his base emotion is anger (in a productive way), and how he sees leadership as storytelling.

And through it all, one truth stands: You don’t have to be the best. You just have to do your best.

This is how Hasan Minhaj disrupted the traditional path laid out for him.

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Timestamps

02:30 – Hasan Minhaj’s superpower is…

06:10 – The gummy bear life

11:45 – Creatives pursue integrity

17:00 – Michael Jackson, Usher, Pharrell, and more

24:16 – Restroom break

24:43 – Mu never imagined becoming a healthcare CEO

27:00 – Hasan Minhaj calls his family

30:00 – Toxic positivity

32:16 – Mu gifts a JayZ vinyl

34:45 – Hasan’s debut album

39:45 – Children are always truthful

41:47 – 2 minute rant on healthcare in America

44:45 – Closing thoughts: One last nugget

Transcript

02:30
Hasan Minhaj’s superpower is…

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hey you're going to meet amazing people weird all that stuff along the way so that was a beautiful thing and it got me

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to hear but now that I've thought about this to give you a unique answer in a

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new updated kind of 2024 answer I would

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say um now age 39 the two things I'm proudest of the most that I think are my

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superpower is the ability to clear the queue to finish the task that I set out

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to do and number two

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um was I right clear the que and number two the power of the pivot understand

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like hey this thing didn't happen pivot to this right pivot to this and I'll

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tell you you when you're young you can pivot really quick as you get

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older speaking of being at the fight you know Lennox Lewis and Holyfield they're moving a little bit slower physically

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which what you hope for is that your mind can maybe if you can't physically pivot can your mind pivot our parents

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are getting older how much can they pivot now yeah are they kind of stuck in their ways um and I'm glad that I'm

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still an active player in my Pursuit to be like even if there's a it's a no

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cool we're gonna go to this that was a no we're going to go to this like that pivot

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um let's even like get even more specific right now I'm in pre-production on a film M I wrote it with a friend of

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mine and my buddy who I wrote it with goes man this film's this is gonna this is going to go this is going to go this

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going to be a banger and um I agree with him but I

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become more kind of Zen about it I go listen whether this this thing goes or it doesn't bro that's the power of the

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algorithm I'm not yes it's not it's literally not in our control but I'll

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tell you this man the journey along the way all the pre-production calls that were're in right now location scouting

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hiring heads of departments all of these like little just boring details I'm like

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we're going to see that through yeah and we're going to do the 38 days of principal photography and the 3 months

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of editing and we're just going to be dialed the in yes you're going to clear the queue and we're and we're going to

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finish the task yes we're going to clear that yeah it's not even clear the queue like do the laundry a better way to do

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it is just like hey when you set out to do something you accomplish yeah and

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like that's a beautiful thing like you know whether it's the smallest thing of hey man when it's leg day and I said I

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was going to do three sets of deadlifts three sets of squats this many calf

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raises this many whatever I'm clearing all of it you know you know and that's

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something to take pride in especially as you get older and you knew this being a young athlete probably when you were playing in college yeah weight room

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really 12 exercises yeah four sets I'm gonna do probably eight do three

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sets around bench a little bit like you're not completing the task yeah

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you're an author now you talk about book proposal you got to be dialed the in

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don't remind me DI then but it's like but that like you know this like the process of being like you understand

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this 60-page PDF that's my proposal or or whatever it is how much detail went into the just the overview yes then

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chapter one then chapter two it's like hey man I I am completing the task yeah

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and I would say man if you're just a task completer you can get away with it

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at 15 bro when I was in high school I cheat off the study guide I get

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someone's older brother to yeah you can you can Coast off that atha is probably dealing with that too out here eating

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dummy bears still balling still balling try try doing that at 28 right try doing that at 35 right you can't be on that

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The gummy bear life

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gummy bear life yeah and try try being on that gummy bear life and then now pivoting out of basketball into banking

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right healthare good luck yeah good luck so we so we have to steal another term

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Jordan it's gummy bear life I like that I like that one too you know cuz like you know I I I I sometimes will do you

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know interviews and podcasts with these NBA players and I love the NBA but they're 22 23 and they're just shoveling

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gummy bears in their mouth I'm like good luck yeah yeah like I'm I'm talking to you from the future at 39 yeah good luck

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good luck C can you maybe you know this better than me I mean you you were a former athlete can you live that gummy

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bear life at 40 I think you you are hitting a lot of notes I want to I want

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to come back to something afterwards about you being an artist um which I really believe that but just to go there

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I think that it's the unfairness you asked me earlier today off Mike um I my base my base emotion is anger which is

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very interesting being a CEO right of a $2 billion company and your base emotion is anger and being able to navigate that

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and making it productive yes and um you know I think I think the you know the

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the the thing about it is is that if you you know I'm we were talking about

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it but really what it is man is not it's it's a passion around an injustice

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correct so so that's the thing like it's like I uh you're pointing out you asked

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me whether you can experience that gummy be life or do that gummy be life and be successful yeah the truth is is that in

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life the reason I get so angry is that people don't get what what they they

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don't deserve what they get and some people don't get what they deserve and so that's so to you answer your question

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there's that Phenom that we're dealing with now with Athena and basketball or even Orion like there's that Phenom

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that's not training that's not studying that's not and they're and they're on this they're on the court for 40 minutes and they're dropping 25 points a game Y

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and then there's people that are doing everything and because they're sitting behind somebody they don't get what they

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deserve right um so I think you know but the truth is is that I think what you said is correct that at some point at

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some point it's going to come home to roost in whatever genre that you have to Pivot into or whatever and we've been

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watching sports long enough to be like yeah we've seen it man there was that gummy bear kid who was knocking people

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out right and man oh man did that turn when they turn 35 at 45 it's even

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weirder and at 55 it's even stranger and sadder right but also just to dial it in and I know you love your you love your

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daughter so much um but just understand that

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like the game of basketball is literally a 48 minute game yeah but if Athena

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really is her in that way she's winning the other 23 hours and 12 minutes of

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life and then if you zoom out God willing inshah the next 5 10 15 20 years

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because of that and and and so it's it's just I think you're trying to get me

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back for making you emotional by making me emotional right now cuz I'm getting to just uh you know thinking of that

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what you're saying like to be like yeah you know sometimes I'll hold my daughter

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and I'll I'll like I'll tear up and be I'll be like why are you crying whatever she'll like be making fun of me and I'll

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tear up at the idea of like I just hope one day she meets someone who loves her

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as much as I love her and I'm crying at the idea that I don't think there there will be a person on planet Earth that

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loves her that wow and I'm like rocking her and I'm I'm actually Mourning

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that future moment that may not happen wow wow wow wow wow like if only you

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knew and I she weighs 48 PBS I'm holding this little girl like if only you knew

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how much I love you yeah and I'm I'm like bursting open at the cruelty that

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there won't there won't be a person holding you this way wow you there there's there's no way there's no way

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there's no way a guy's going any guy guy or girl on planet Earth will be able to bench the amount of love that I have for

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her man there's so many 45s of Love on that bench of love for her you have no idea I'm Ronnie Coleman how love that's

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how much love I have for her it's impossible it's impossible wow every Speck of you every

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Freckle of you every part of you every curl in your hair I love like you have

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no idea you think some dude you meet at be yeah yeah yeah yeah not happening not

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happening not happening and so I'm just like holding that person that moment but uh what was I trying to say yeah yeah no

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I so you know just to Pivot you are you are I'm going to make an assessment of you which which which is probably not

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the best for my future you know because you you have uh many more mics than than

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I have and so I'm going to hear about this but I'm going to make an assessment of you you know based on somewhat the

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way I see the world so you artists right artists there there's there there sort of people and to your point

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about going and getting the study notes and cheating on tests whatever those those people are they might do well they

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might graduate they might even get the best job Tot but they're not artists and artists are create what you know equals

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creatives and creatives yeah right are about building a product they're PS

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Creatives pursue integrity

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they're really building greatness right they're not worried about getting better fast than everybody else is getting better so they don't get worse yeah

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they're worried about disrupting so that they can pursue greatness and I see what you've built

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just your you know your and I know that you have had to Pivot around things that you thought were things that were bad

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yes and other things that you thought were good but at the end of the day you're a creative that's that's pursuing

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greatness masterpieces when you when you mention the movie and you're like oh I don't care how it does the reason you

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don't care how it does is because you're you're actually pursuing greatness because if something is great and nobody

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cares about it nobody wants to watch it you don't care yeah but if it's not great and everybody loves it yeah you're

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devastated devastated be like this this isn't this feel I don't feel proud of

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myself yeah it's it's it's like a it's a it's it is a personal integrity and

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accountability yeah and look like I think with social media and the state of

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media and you can talk about celebrity politics whatever you want it is

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profound the how the floor is

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getting and one of the things I was talking about with my team is I don't give a what you see on Tik Tok or what

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you see being talked about online we're not lowering our floor y yeah like so

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and so is doing this and they're still getting this yeah and I'm like no it's about personal lifelong integrity and

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pride in yourself when you look at yourself in the mirror to go yeah man like that was a really I emptied my tank

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so I think um if you were to ask me

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like hey if you hey husten you you have a terminal illness you're going to die

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tomorrow MH how do you feel there would be a part of me that that that might be like man I wish I

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would have done this or gone to this place or seen this thing but I think for

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the most part I'm pretty proud even in the things that I lost and failed at and

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came second place or fifth place in that I just emptied the tank M that's all and

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and to me like the biggest test of like hey you really

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believe that just apply the software that you're running on yourself and just be like if my son or daughter ran that

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software would I be okay with that if they behaved and held to them themselves to that same standard would you be proud

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of that yeah and if my son or daughter you know ran the line drills the way I ran the line drills and still

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got cut from the football or the track team man I'd be so proud yeah i' be so proud of them their lungs are on fire

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their little Indian shins have splints but I'd be like man I am so proud of you right like you are you are Michael

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Phelps to me you are you because you really emptied that tank and I can't

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always say that yeah when I look at even some Olympic athletes I'm like I don't know if you emptied your tank right I

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think you were gummy bears and right Talent got you really far but I'm talking about integrity character what

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you are like yeah you also have um your parents obviously

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your you know your kids Bea yeah but there's there's other people is a

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extremely high integrity person yeah but she sets a very high bar yeah I know I I work with her so I you talk about

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clearing the queue and completing the task and being there for people you know we're having this conversation she is

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literally at a friend's you know 40th birthday getaway that means like she had

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to get child care for the kids and Bea's in bed by 7 PM so she's not you know

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boozy brunch and Vibe girl she's like why am I doing this and she's doing this

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because she's a high integrity person of life that's my friend and who I am is

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I'm a person who's there for my friends I'm a person who's there for my love it

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love it yeah cuz you I mean I just again you're that that relationship

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those relationships you're like that too I mean the fact you you're very loyal yes and you know again not not just with

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me or the people that are are that you I wouldn't say circle is the wrong word

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connected to yeah you're very loyal to them pen and for a pound yeah it's it's

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uh I've watched you know again watched who you interact with you talk about JJ you know all the things that you're

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doing you you you deeply connect with what they're passionate about I mean you've connected you know with me

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through beinga with V Duty cares foundation and you know it's it's it's going strong and you

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you're such a big part of that so I think that that's uh that's another thing I learned I'm learning about you

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from from obviously um stalking you a little bit uh I mean I don't know how many Clips we watched probably thousand

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the I I want to ask you let's switch totally switch gears here favorite favorite favorite artist favorite artist

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I actually so I should say this favorite musical artist because artist could be artist could be you know favorite

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Michael Jackson, Usher, Pharrell, and more

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favorite musical artist man man so you don't have to pick one

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you can you can give me a b you can give me a you can give me a b can I tell you and and and I I can give you the whole story as yeah um yeah I'll give you a

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bunch man yeah uh I would say Michael Jackson for his innovativeness for sure

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his genre defying you know Paradigm shifting what he did you know like

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uh his what he did with his sound dancing spectacle performance and then

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music videos he just gen on every level somebody that I've like recently come to

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like deeply love and admire and respect right now is Usher because of his longevity yeah you know R&B singing was

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like it used to be this like hey put put on a white white tank top and steal my girl yeah and that lasted until you were

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30 maybe late 20s and then the moment you're in your 30s you're a old head

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yeah and you're you're out here doing the you know whatever the casino circuit

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it's called like the remember when tour you're on the Nostalgia tour the fact that he's still making contemporary

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records that are appreci and rocking the sixpack it looks different than everybody else that come back and try to

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yeah it's really different and like when you talk about process and consistency and whatever and I know this is a live

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touring performer yeah man you know I've been on tours where the total number of shows you do at the end is 60 cities and

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you're probably at 118 shows or whatever 80 cities and 126 shows like it's it

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really takes its toll for him to be dancing like that singing like that drenched and you got

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to understand at the end of it he thank you Dallas then he's meeting moo he daps

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up with moo then he's meeting Tasha then he's meeting aena and photos he's maybe

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having some lukewarm chicken breast and and some just kind of in a sweaty plastic you know one of those plastic

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containers just you know and and the the container is like cold and sweaty you e

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just H you eat that he has he's still a person we don't have teleportation yet yeah he's getting in a tour bus he's got

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to get to San Antonio you got to get to the next day they're in Chicago you know

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he's Landing it's 3 4 5:00 a.m. four five six hours of sleep then he's got to

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get up raspy voice where's my green tea get to the venue the venue's cold and

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it's dark you know this isn't happening absolutely just just to be it game day

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every day game day ready and then in Chicago well Moo's got Moo's Moo's older brother's there yeah and Mo's older

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brothers got to see the show and he's got to meet him backstage yeah yeah his younger sisters there whatever it is and

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for him to be that dialed in just to be that consistent and then also be that

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Innovative I was like man your longevity I is great another person that I love

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like what he's doing um and just kind of what he represents I think is Fel Williams his ability to we we were

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talking about anger and he's just inspiring to me in the sense that I'm like man this guy is making incredible

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contemporary music and classic music without having to tap into hatred and

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jealousy and and anger as an emotion by the way his best his best album for me

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is a soundtrack for minions which is really and and not many people know that because at the time he was the for first

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artist musician like that from that genre to be able to take over a whole

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score a whole score for a animated movie that was that was brilliant that's that that's where happy everybody you know

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I'm happy everybody loves that song but to to write that song for the minions just there there's another song There

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cloudy um cloudy days are temporary oh or rain something like that but anyway

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longevity longevity he's been around for a while a long time

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video back in the 90s yeah yeah so when he talks about Teddy Riley finding him like was in the early 90s late 80s or

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something in his music class with the playing different instruments that's great and then last again you just talk

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about longevity which is um and he's not a musical artist but Stephen King the

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novel Stephen King has an amazing book called on writing and if you just want to it's just about the process of

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writing as a craft and as art in and in and of itself um of course you know tany

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coats is one of the great modern writers but when I look at what Stephen has done his just the volume of work he has

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created it's it's unreal but but that book what it really elucidated to me is

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again and I mean this for Athena if I could give give her advice as like

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everything you're doing right now is a discovery of who you are m Ste Steven has 10 books that are like

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alltime goat books right of course The Shining it I mean these are like iconic

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books in the Canon of the genre Thriller horror as a genre of book book writing

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but if you look at the number of books he's written it's 70 I mean it's crazy go to Wikipedia it's crazy how many

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books he's written and you know this as an author What It Takes which you have to excavate out of yourself to put words

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on paper yeah and to me when I read that book on writing I'm like oh this is who

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he is yes it's not about I'm Stephen King he's like I am a person that is

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exploring The Human Condition by articulating and writing it out that's 100 and that's just who I am whether I'm

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a puttering old 87y old man at like a cabin in Maine to when I was you know he

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talks about being an alcoholic in WR writing but he was like it's who I am it is what I do I What a Beautiful Life to

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Live amazing yeah like I mean that that's um you know I'm struggling with that now um I don't ever want to be a

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CEO who writes I want to be an author who happens to be a CEO and in the first

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book I wrote I had this Theory you know I was like I'm one of these guys like you know Malcolm Gladwell if you're

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listening Malcolm Gladwell I feel like I'm baby Malcolm like everything in the world is wrong and here's why and in my

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first book I wrote These theories like it's like this Theory and then I kind of figured out okay well based on that

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theory I want to tell you a few stories yeah so to to justify it yeah this one I realized just what you talked about is

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that I can tell stories and you and and the theories will come out of the stories but if you

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link a bunch of stories together yeah um it's a much much much better way to tell

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your to give your theory on life rather than tell everybody Theory and then find a few yeah here's rule number four

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whatever yeah so me I think that into your point about writing what I've learned too is you have to write you

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have to sort of write you know you have to sort of write who you are yeah and and then I'm sure you know um but I'm

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I'm digressing keep going just keep talking I got to back okay okay okay uh you want a break yeah let me use the

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Restroom break

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restroom good good yeah we'll come back all right no it's great you've done a great J you know what I realized what I

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realized like you you know how you said you're looking for gifts what I realized about the um about the

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uh about the the uh Gayla yeah is that something I can do that I didn't I don't

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think a lot of here you want us help he needs help I can bring I feel like

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because of who I am the fact that I'm in health care and if you maybe we should record this it's recording okay the fact

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Mu never imagined becoming a healthcare CEO

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that I'm in healthc care and I probably shouldn't be right like I probably like like like like like of all the things

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you think about when you're growing up yeah there's 12 things you could done 15 things you could a healthcare CEO was

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never ever one of them like it was like DJ rapper basketball player you know

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playing playing in the Euro league soccer like this was not one of them so like what I what ends up happening is

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that I have connections or you know love interacting with people from lots of

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different genres and I feel like I can I feel like by Tod cares and other and just this can be a way that I get uh

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genres together that would have never normally gotten together totally you know what I mean and that's that's so

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like super cool like imagine how much good we could do in the world if it wasn't genre like healthcare is trying

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to do healthare and then and then entertainment try toic music trying to do this thing and that thing but if what if what if what if we could have you

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know maybe the SPs have already done it but what if we could have a place where

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we bring everybody together highlight people who are changing the world yeah totally right but and not just make it

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just about the Grammys are the Oscars yeah Grammys musicians here Oscars actors here yeah yeah totally yeah okay

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so what we do on less than 1% every every podcast show has their thing and

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so we were trying to figure out you know do we put you in a dunk tank or you know do we do we uh you know you're supposed

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to show up in certain dress so what we said is the game yeah we couldn't clear that with the building sorry yeah yeah

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we ask everybody securi outside we ask everybody what their superpower is yeah

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and then we want to validate that so we have you ask a family member yeah or a

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friend and we have them called you call him cold and all we're going to do is we're going to get on the phone with them yeah and then we're going to uh ask

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them what your superpower is okay so

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well I mean we're going to have to get through some warm-up she's going to go what are you doing what happened why

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were you why were you at the fight this is all going to you know tell you about her weed yeah that's whole thing you

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hear it we can hear this is wild it's cool that she's got this set

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Hasan Minhaj calls his family

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up your call has been forwarded to voicemail the person you're trying to reach is not available at the your

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message when you have finished recording may hang let's call Dad let's call Dad sound like om it's me I'm just calling

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you I'm on a podcast but I'll call you later so we can catch up more

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chus all right let me call dad watch Yo the energy is about to

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shift watch the energy

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shift H H yeah it would be like he's like in a

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tunnel yelling but he'll just be in the house yeah

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reached oh okay please leave your name and number so what do we do now well

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um back up you want to you want to your mbina yeah she she on a plane though

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isn't she no she's she's still there let me see should we ask her maybe we should try mom one more time let's try mom one

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more time yeah and then we'll go Bea

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I'm I'm a little worried your call has been forwarded to voicemail my parents have you know what

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I'll call my sister let me call my younger sister let's call

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Aisha you're oh hi how are you I'm good okay um this

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is this is very random okay yeah so so I'm on a podcast right now and the game in

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the podcast so I'm just giving you fair warning okay the game in the podcast is

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you have to call someone that you love uhhuh but the the podcast I promise you isn't one of these insane podcasts it's

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about like humiliating yourself or whatever it's like a it's a it's like a positive uplifting podcast okay but I'm

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supposed to call a loved one so you're you're in the you're in the recording right now

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I'm supposed to ask you what does it I'm supposed to ask you yeah yeah hi how are you this is Moo hey this is

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Moo hi good to meet you good to meet you yeah likewise we are sorry for bothering

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you on a Saturday but we wanted to know what Huston's superpower

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is oh my God his superpower oh boy okay

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so so obviously it's funny so you know that I'm not even going to say that's a superpower um I think his superpower is

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Toxic positivity

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he is really optimistic like optimistic about people

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and situations I call him toxic positivity sometimes he won't he won't

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like acknowledge if something is like like hard or wrong um so I think his

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superpower is to like be in these really tough scenarios and just like everything's great it's going to go

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great we're all great that's awesome yeah it gets them through life like yeah

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that's a superpower that's awesome and I have to believe you because my sister's name is Asha so your name is close to it

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so um so that means that means we're we're Kindred we're Kindred I love it yeah so that's what I'd say super power

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is awesome awesome well thank you so much we're sorry to bother you I'm goingon to I'm I'm going to FaceTime you

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on the way to the airport okay yeah sounds good have have a good rest of the podcast all right good meeting you okay

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love you and I I was I knew I was going to do this I was like if it was something stupid or bad I'd be like I'm not calling my sister I'm I'm no longer

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implicating family members in stupid or bad decision no this was a fun one I liked it okay love you love you bye okay love

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you talk to you later that's awesome that's awesome hey were you worried about that one yo younger

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sister you know what I mean what you call Family they'll be like you want some dirt but that but that's that's

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this is cool this is a different this is a different different experience yeah I feel like I feel like it's something had it been the opposite what's the worst

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thing what's the worst quality your this your loved one has you like we're going to call that's true that maybe

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that's the once we get going but that's awesome that that that that's beautiful toxic positivity I think is amazing okay

31:41

so we talked about artists um who's your favorite rapper or you know again you

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can Jay-Z's your favorite rapper that's interesting so what we we we have some

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Jay okay queued up here ladies gentlemen

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hey welcome ladies and gentlemen oh my God that's for me that's

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for you my brother bro thank you like listen like you knew this uh I assumed I

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assumed so appreciate you no this is one of the all time great albums man well see the thing is is like

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Mu gifts a JayZ vinyl

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this is one of the all time great albums the thing is I feel like with with people yes right that that you care

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about your friends you know like you can't just you know you've done well for yourself so it's like you you got to

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give something where no you have to you know what I mean like meaningful and and and for me like I know that J well I

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kind of had an inkling that it would that would be Jay and then this album is

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there's there's so much history all time it's an all time album back and forth

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between him or Nas but n is also another one but Jay is Jay is all time for me

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and it's a lifetime right I mean you mentioned that with other artists right he's he's like the EMT Smith of rap like

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she's running with you know shoulder dislocation like it doesn't like genre biggie goes down like east coast rap is

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not a thing anymore and he's just still banging yep so anyway I just and this is an iconic this was a in my opinion a

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very Turning Point yeah album in the sense that um it really solidified him

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in my opinion as like I'm not a underground Reasonable Doubt guy I'm not

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a pop volume two guy yeah yeah I am like I'm the real deal I'm the blue you know

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I'm the blueprint I'm the real deal the kids and I have a you know I mean I'm

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kind of a Kanye fan I just think that he's he's getting some deeper things yeah but one of his greatest lines ever

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uhhuh was what I'm going to bring to the table when I'm the table great line and

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I think that this the blueprint is kind of like he setting the table it's not what I'm bringing to rap I am rap I am

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you know hip-hop absolutely and final too bro this is an amaz yeah it's it's you know sort

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of but yeah this going to the location this is going like in the officee yeah

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that makes me feel good so I I gave you something yeah but I also want something

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from you so this is knew it was coming this is a little this is a little loaded I'm I'm sort of like a you know I want

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something in return so what do I got to do in exchange for this vinyl in exchange you have to wow you have to

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sign this is a big deal bro thank you you have to sign my copy okay 100% of oh

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wait if you want the get on your no man this is um so

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this is wow the fact that you pulled this out man this is like a this is a you know so tell us tell us tell us a

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Hasan’s debut album

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little bit this is one of the most kind of just seminal Turning Point pieces of work in my whole career man yes this

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whole thing was just you know all of it in terms of craft

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story design everything so homecoming King my first Netflix comedy special my first kind of singular piece of work

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that um really kind of made me a I would say

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like a legitimate artist in my opinion yes what you know it was like my um I would call

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it almost like my debut album yeah and so everybody everybody in my in in my

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opinion both in music and in comedy has a has a thing that's so singularly them

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you know I think in my opinion Chris rocks bring the pain in bigger and black like

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those summarize who he is and what what was to come obviously he's evolved and changed and everything like that but

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jcole 2014 Forest Hills Drive I'm a kid from you know I think is fville North

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Carolina and all right you know this is my story yes and so home coming King is

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like the the story of new Brown America the story of my life my family's life

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and uh for a lot of kids in the diaspora this this meant a lot but it's to me

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this is the you know and I I know you know we don't we don't we're both busy

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so we don't get to Vibe on like you know what we're feeling and all that stuff but to me this is

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like you're breaking out of the box sure yeah with this like you're breaking out

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the box cuz you're you're taking full accountability for you know what I mean

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for who you are and what you are and where you're from and and all of those things amalgamate in in sort of the the

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the person you are so and this was kind of like my um it in a real Way Beyond

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The Daily Show beyond the other stuff my personal singular introduction to the world yo this is who I am you know and

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from the art design you know shout out to Sam brat who did the original you know in in an AI world this was a hand

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this was handrawn original artwork we basically what we wanted to do was subvert uh classic rockwellian American

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yeah that's what it looks like and then put and even even even the art you mentioned the art even the art I want to

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you show that show it there even the art the way you're drawn is very purposeful

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and if you totally you know like like you know growing up in Toronto like you know cuz I have a lot of totally Indian

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different culture friend and Indian friends like the way you're drawn there is very very purposeful specific and Sam

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Sprat really did it brilliantly like he just nailed it and I remember there was

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a long conversation where he goes trust me like you know he's like I know this

37:46

is a comedy album but I don't want it to be you grinning I don't want you to be

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kind of ironic there was like a real kind of s to it deep I haven't seen this

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in a long time man and to see this as a vinyl bro this is very special so even this all this stuff is handr he handrew

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the font it wasn't one of those things um yeah man and I just like I look at

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this back and it's really really special man awesome awesome man I got I got to

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make this out this is beautiful you want me to sign the front or the back you I want you all over I want you to I want

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you to yeah because that's that's uh You Know It uh yeah you know again I I you

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know we don't share a lot of different things but you know like I told you when I first met uh I first met beina and we

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were talking about the foundation and um you know then she said hey you know you

38:45

know sure like you know who my husband is I'm like no I don't you know I'm like what I don't know I Jordan I met your

38:50

wife for the first time after 20 years of being in a partnership so I'm sort of

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not that guy you know if if you tell me I'm interested but I'm not going to pry

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and then you know we started talking about it and and uh then you um you know

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decided to be part of the foundation and so you know my my daughter the story

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here is my daughter to were watching his first Netflix special and and my daughter's

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like you know him and I'm like yeah yeah I know him you know yeah yeah we you know he's working with the foundation

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like he's so deep atha was saying that yeaha was like he's so deep you know

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he's so deep you know you know what means a lot man um a cosign from Athena

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from like a cosign from people's kids their children means a lot man yeah

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Children are always truthful

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because what they're doing is they're just there's there's no layers to it yes like when they love something they love

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something when they think something's whack yeah they're going to tell you they're going it was Patriot Act is is what she watched she watched p and she's

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like well I think that's a testament though toate appreciate you comedy yeah man man

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beautiful appreciate you man that means a lot man really really that's a that's powerful man yeah I'm going to leave

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what's up yeah know that is a testament to I guess your the stuff you talk about I mean you cover so many things you know

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totally you know you know what beautiful man that I'm just always like grateful for is that you know I'm not the biggest

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artist in the world but the fact that it it resonates in any way with people it

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just means a lot absolutely that resonance the fact that Athena was like man I like it it just means it means the

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world for true yeah cuz I mean you you know I talked about right there are popular people who who aren't there's

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nothing there's nothing there there's nothing there right you know and then there's artists that we we know actually

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deola was one of those in 2020 I met deola and you know this guy is like

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nobody knew about him no deol incredible and now you know everybody's like oh deola I'm like up no deolo is the real

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deal de deol are greed yeah he's coming you talk about a a person and I we

41:05

haven't even spoken so you talking about a guy just like living in his purpose you're just he he was performing at the

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foundation I was just at the big Gayla I was an awe yeah yeah when you see it in in real life it's when you see yeah this

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is this isn't some AI yeah YouTube video yes no this is a real deal this is craft

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real craft real passion and yeah all right so I know I know you got to get on a plane I have I have one more so so I I

41:35

do I do want I think we we would not two two things I apologize two things one is

41:40

okay give me your thought your uh two-minute rant on Healthcare in America

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like what is your two-minute yeah so this is my two-minute rant on Healthcare in America um what breaks my heart about

41:47
2 minute rant on healthcare in America

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Healthcare in America is there's certain things that I feel like need to be human rights I think Health Care clean air

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clean water um some form of Civic protection for civilians children and

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education these are like four or five things that I feel like hey this is if you're a citizen of a of a secular

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multi-racial multi-ethnic company that's one of the countries that's one is one of the leaders of the world these basic

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things could be possible what I mean by that is like do you have access to a great education a free

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education libraries hospitals you don't have to worry about hey if I get sick will I be

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able to afford the bill your worry and concern should be can I get the care that I need to get better and that's

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that and um that's us at the uh we were at one of the popups for the foundation

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and what you guys were providing there this photo to me was a moment of yeah the fact that we're

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meeting the community and meeting people and saying hey we're here to help you to

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me that's that's that is the idea of a society of living in a robust society

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that hey the needs of the people are met talk about the floor the needs of the people yeah are met from the all the way

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up totally agree like we lose we lose um Healthcare is one of those obviously clean water you mentioned a bunch like

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you know we lose sometimes in uh the political teams right who's going to win who's going to lose we lose the fact

43:35

that all of us probably everybody in the country everybody in the world yeah when you see somebody drinking unhealthy

43:42

water or you feel somebody that isn't getting the care they they deserve yes

43:48

it it hurts you deep no matter what you now you may have differences on how that's supposed to get done but at the

43:53

end of the day we're talking about Baseline Baseline you know what I mean so this is it that's my little two-minute rent on healthare which is we

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just need to refocus on hey what is a baseline for American society and what

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what is the right of every citizen of the United States of America so I just want to say thank you again for for for

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not just participating from really bringing the foundation to a whole other level thank you man and um you know your

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your commitment over I mean four five years now to to the foundation to the

44:23

people to me to Bea has just been I mean it's just I'm just proud to help and be a part of it man awesome okay so one

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last thing very this is the last thing this is our fourth last thing this is the fifth actually the

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fth and I I want you one thing that you can leave people listening watching one

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thing that you can leave for them one nugget you've given like 18 nugget I feel like this is a this is like an 18

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Closing thoughts: One last nugget

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piece at Mickey D you've given so many nuggets but one last thing that you would leave for them um for them to

44:54

remember you know you on this less 1% podcast what's what's what's the last

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message you'd leave them with you know what it is I I rarely like to be dactic with the advice I give to others so this is actually for myself and then maybe

45:06

you can extrapolate from that and but if you don't need this because you're doing great then you know God bless you I look

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I look up to you but for me it's always I'm just reminding myself as I'm

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prepping this next project is you don't have to be the best you just have to do

45:23

your best you know like it I try to remind myself man hust this is a single player

45:29

game I've had a lot of dreams with certain projects some of them went crazy

45:35

Gang Busters some of them didn't go as great as I thought they would but I

45:40

think the thing that I'm the most proud of and I'm being honest I've been on both sides of the roller coaster where

45:47

it it's the number one movie of the box office could you believe it actually I couldn't believe it you know all type

45:52

stuff but it was um I did my best I did my best and that's like that moment of

45:59

and nobody can take it away from you so I'm just trying to remind myself as I'm prepping and I got my puffer jacket and

46:05

we're location scouting and I'm in the do drums and I I want to show up late and this that and the other is hey man

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you got to do your best do your best I don't know what's going to happen but you got to do your best

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and um that feeling of self-satisfaction will be deeper than any any result or

46:23

pat on the back you could feel wow yeah well fortunately the the mic is fixed so you can't drop it but that is a mic that

46:30

a mic drop moment that was a mic drop moment all right I I I don't know just you know I know I may get push back in the comment section or whatever because

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there's all the Nike commercials about winning and all that sort and I get it I get it but I've been on both sides of it

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I get it awesome awesome my brother appreciate you I so appreciate you thank you so much appreciate thank you bro all

46:48

right all right come on man come on apprciate yeah appreciate you man

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thank you thank you thank you thank you how Wild is that

Key Takeaways

  1. Success isn’t about being the best. It’s about staying true to your values while you grow.
  2. Persistence and self-reflection turn failure into fuel for what’s next.
  3. Real leadership begins when you own your story and use it to lift others.

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Episode Guests

Hasan Minhaj

Hasan Minhaj is a two-time Peabody Award-Winning comedian best known for his breakout special Homecoming King (NETFLIX) and his critically acclaimed, political satire show Patriot Act with Hasan Minhaj (NETFLIX) which won a Peabody, an Emmy, and a Television Academy Honor. Previously, Hasan was a senior correspondent at The Daily Show with Jon Stewart (COMEDY CENTRAL) and headlined the 2017 White House Correspondent's Dinner. He’s the co-founder and chief executive officer for 186K Films that will produce its first feature “For The Culture” with Amazon Studios. Minhaj is co-writing the script with Prashanth Venkataramanujam and will star in the film. His new, one-man show “The King’s Jester” will mark the comedian’s return to his storytelling roots following the global success of “Homecoming King.”

For more on Hasan Minhaj and his work, check out: https://www.hasanminhaj.com/