Part 2: How Tyler Clutts Made It to the Dallas Cowboys

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And so I miss

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I don't even get in. They had to break it into two workouts. And so I'm sitting there watching

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uh this other workout and I'm like, should I just like scrap it and just go to like Disneyland or something? Like

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why am I here? And I'm watching this dude. He he's running he's in the running in the line

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to run 40s and he takes his like t-shirt off. He's got like a I can't say it now.

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A tank top that's that's that's white and tight.

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And then and no, not only that, not only that, then he takes then he takes his

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shorts off and he's got like cotton boxer briefs on cuz you know at the combine guys will run in tights and

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they'll run in the dry fit. No, dude goes straight drawers and tank tank top like

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Yeah, that's a look. And I'm like what? And and then not only that, on top of that, he stops the whole

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workout and he's like, "Hey, hey everybody. Hey, hey, it's" and he says

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his name and I don't remember it and it was kind of comedy for the story. I don't remember what his name was, but remember that name you've been see me

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seeing me play on Sundays. Oh wow. And and like I I'm like this is it. I'm done. I can't I can't be associated with

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this anymore. And so anyways, I go home and um and I have a conversation with my wife. I'm like I'm done. I I need to

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find something for this. Like we can't keep living. I can't keep living like this. Chasing this dream that's like

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getting further and further away. You're devastated. Crushed. Like soul is crushed. Value as

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a man. Like I'm like I feel worthless. Um and and she looked at me and she

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said, "I know you have it in you. I know you have football left. Whatever it takes. I don't care.

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Whatever it takes." And she was working at a spa. She ran a spa. I don't know if it was over by Culvis West Muses. It was

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there for a long time right next to Break Barriers or Breaking Barriers. So she ran that she took that from like

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a really bad and made it a really good business. You know, owners were silent, but she ran it for years. And so she at

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least had, you know, but now it's even like more soul crushing like yeah, I'm living off my wife because the

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insurance business hadn't picked up yet. And anyways, and uh and so I was like, okay. And

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there was just a new energy that I had again because of her. And so ended up I

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signed with an arena league team. Yeah. Uh Utah Blaze. This was the year it came

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back after it had folded, right? It went bankrupt and then it opened back up and uh and I changed agents and I was

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like, I just need to get film. And so I went and played and that was awful. For real. It was awful. Arena football is

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there's some guys that love it for it. You were awful or just the the game, the

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like specific playing it was awful. Um, I lived with like five dudes in an apartment and and I'm not kidding you

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because they just come back, they had no budget, they literally paid us in Subway coupons.

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So, it was either I could get $500 a month or they'd pay for my apartment. I was like, just pay for my apartment. And

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they paid me in Subway coupons. So, I ate Subway for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. So, it was they shout out

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Subway. See if you can get a sponsorship from that. Yeah. See, maybe we can get I was going to say something. I'm going to edit it.

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There was a former uh former Subway spokesperson that we will no longer say is Yeah.

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Question about that. When you told when your wife told you, you know, that you know, keep doing it.

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Would it have been would it have been a relief if she said, "Yeah, that's fine." If

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I think short term short term, yeah, because I think in the moment you'd be like, "Okay, she's supporting me." I mean, she could have said like

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I mean, would have understood if you said, "You know what? I'm going to hang it up." I'm I'm three at this point, two full

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years after college. So, I'd graduated and this is two years now. So, yeah, I think that's a reasonable response.

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Like, I get it. Like, but that that's not who you are. That's not why I love you. Cuz cuz we were never dating when I

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was playing. Like, we were I was always She knew who I was, but like we'd never been together um at that point. And like

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I mean shoot I was borrowing money from her like to pay my my car payment and pay my car insurance like when I was

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when we were dating. And so so yes, she totally it would have been I think short

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term but again she saw me on who I really was. I always had this like um uh

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I always had this uh lesser version of myself. There's a smarter word I was

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trying to think of but I couldn't think of it. Um, there was always I always thought less of myself and that I always needed to

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get better and that was kind of how I operated. But she saw who I really was. I think this this is this is that this those are

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that's a great point there because I always talk about the idea that people talk about imposttor syndrome and

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business and and how you know it's it's about your superpower which we'll talk about later

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but she's seeing she's seeing your superpower. Yeah. She's seeing the worst. can't really see.

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Yeah. Because you're you're you're grief. I mean, that's Yeah. Yeah. And so I Yeah.

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Anyways, play So So So you're you're you're you're eating Subway. Eating Subway, man. Chicken, bacon,

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ranch, breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Do you not eat it now? Because you you refuse to eat. Yeah, I can't. And they changed it, too.

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They did. Unless Unless he gets Yeah, I was going to say, yeah, if we we got a deal. I love me some Subway.

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But uh it's uh it so I went there and then and then we were uh I had a buy.

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So

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we got so we got married and then this is when we had the conversation and then I leave a week and a half later to go to

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Salt Lake City. So we literally lived together for a week and a half and then I left. And then um first byee I finally

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get to spend time with my wife and then um I'm like hey there's a workout in

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Fresno, there's a workout in San Diego and a workout in LA. I think we can hit all three if and she was like all right

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let's do it. like the one weekend we got to like and she's working her tail off and uh and she's like, "All right." And

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so I work out in uh for CFL team in Fresno, the Saskatchewan Rough Ruff

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Riders. And then we drive down to San Diego. Could couldn't drive my car. My

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my car wouldn't make it to San Diego and back. I had an old beat up Durango. And then um

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we drove overnight. Couldn't afford a hotel, so we had to sleep in the car. So we're sleeping in the car in the parking lot. I can't remember the name of the

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high school, but I remember sleeping in the back of her car, folded on the seats. I couldn't sleep a wink cuz same

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deal. It's like, what am I doing? What am I doing here? Like, this woman deserves way more than sleeping next to

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this schmuck in the back of her car cuz he's chasing a game, right? And I

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remember the sun was coming up and I I just I just remember praying and I just said, "Hey, God, like if this is not the

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path you want for me, just take it away. Please just take it away. So we go to the workout. It was for the

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Sacramento Mountain Lions. This is Danny Green was the head coach. Dante Co Pepper was the quarterback.

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That's I mean and so this was like the year that it was like and it had been a year since that other workout uh for the other UFFL

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team. And so this um it was like, okay, they're they're kind of making a thing of this like there's maybe an opportunity.

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And I went as a linebacker and long snapper because again I'm like whatever I can do, don't care, just give me a job. And

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Um, I was we're running one-on- ones with the running backs and I remember there's like 50 linebackers and there

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was like 20 running backs. And so these running backs are just going and going and going and going. I got like one rep as a linebacker and uh and the running

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back coach who is Mike McDaniels, head coach of the Dolphins now. Yeah. He like stops it and he's like, "Hey, I

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got to give these guys a breather. Like they're gassed. You'll just chill for a second." And I'm sitting there. I'm like, "No, no, no, no, no, no." Like I I

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No. I was like, I'll run some routes. So, I went over and I ran some routes as a fullback around four or five in a row.

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Um did well and then uh but didn't think a ton of it. I was just like, I just I I

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I just can't sit here. Yeah. I got to do something. And and then I went we went did a workout in LA for another UFFL team and

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then I flew back to uh to Utah and uh and again I I felt like the week I was

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like, "What are we doing?" And I get a call from both the Canadian team, the

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Saskatchewan Rough Riders and the Sacramento Mountain Lions. Uh the Rough

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Riders like, "We'll sign you and and we're going to give you $5,000 signing bonus." And I'm like, "Let's go." Yeah.

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Like I know the game. They wanted me to play defensive end. Um and then uh I I

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was talking to my wife and then the Sacramento Mountain line's like, "Hey, we're not going to sign you yet, but we want to work you out again. we want to

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specifically just work you out as a fullback because we want to feel let's see what that looks like.

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And so I uh I told I told my wife and I was like I'm gonna take the CFL deal. I mean we need the money

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and I know it and she's like you tried that like do you really feel

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like that's going to help you get to your ultimate goal? Uh and you know we're going to be even

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further apart in six months. She's like are you sure that's what you want to do? I was like yeah we need it. like I know

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it it'll it'll work out. She's like I I think you need to bet on yourself. Like I think you need to try this other thing

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because I think that like you can do that and that seems to be the fastest path to the NFL. Like so thank God I

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listened to her and I went and worked out again and they signed me um to just

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come to camp essentially. There was a bunch of other things that happened that like actually got me to make the team

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and then get the starting spot week one and then play that whole year. Wow. Um, but I mean again it was it and

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I say it was because of her but there was I'm telling you like people's success and we were talking about it out

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there. People's success is not so solely on the efforts of one person.

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Not at all. Like you going through medical school and you like the people that helped you and supported you. It was the same on my

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side. And there was I mean again it's a much longer podcast uh conversation but

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it was because of this person that talked to this person that talked to that person that talked to this person

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that talked to that had nothing to do with me had nothing to do with my skill nothing to do with my ability but because of all these things that

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happened like I got an opportunity to move to fullback and play in the UL. I 100% agree with you. I mean, if you

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look at all the different things that happen that some that you know of and some that you don't know of

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to give you the opportunity that Yeah. the self-made person is is crazy. You know, the one

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thing I I would say too, like you um the story kind of reminds me of,

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you know, when you when you look at when you look at football in general, but probably sports

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broader and even in business, you look at these people and you think to yourself,

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they're amazing. Like, you know, like you I'm so glad like I'm I'm not good with

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celebrities because I'm just like we're not different. No. And I actually think that ends up being

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a thing that a lot of people are like, we stay close and and connect because I'm just like,

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dude, you're just a regular dude that or a regular woman that got an opportunity that somebody else didn't get. And so

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I'm not really tripping. Like I'll meet you. I'm excited. I'm proud of your accomplishments. I'm excited that you

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play. I respect it, but I'm not like, you know, can you sign my head, you know? No. Yeah. That's that's wild. I think

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everybody has their own story, their own path. There's things that we can learn from everybody. It doesn't matter if they're an accountant. Doesn't matter if

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they're a landscape uh a landscape guy. Everybody has a story. Everybody has their own value. And professional

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athletes are no different.

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So, I want to I want you to tell me tell everybody

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about this and and what you advise what would you advise me? you said it was

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really profound and it's actually rocked me a certain way where you said you know why would

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you put that on me and then put me in this situation. So like what do you

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what do you say to people like you know at the office? Yeah, you got to go to the office today. You got to meet them

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today. Yeah. You know or or or you're coaching you know your kids team like what do you

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say to somebody who thinks this is what I want to do. this is a calling. Yeah.

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And and it's not going to work out. Yeah. I think we can speak truth to

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people. Yeah. In that um like my son, just prime

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example, my son is 11. He's a big kid and he tells everybody he's going to

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play in the NFL one day, right? Um I I still haven't fully deciphered

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whether he says that just because his dad did. Yeah. And he just thinks that that's what

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happens. Um or like he truly like wants it. I think it's probably the first one

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because there's he's um he's very sensitive and there's some

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really good things about that. And I say sensitive because he feels really deeply. Yeah. Um but like grit is not necessarily a

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characteristic that he's fully developed. And like I love him. He's he's incredible in so many ways. Like

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he's like my little ranch dude. Like he loves ranching with me. Like he saved me a bunch of times. Like cuz

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he's got it up there. But but I think that there's truth that when he says

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that that I can share with him like hey I will 100% support you in that but you

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do have to know what it takes. Like you do have to know in order to achieve this goal like the amount of sacrifice that

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is going to be taken in order to reach that goal. the amount of work, the amount of suffering, the amount of uh

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rejection, all of these things are going to be it's not this end, you know, it's

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the whole thing like you see the end product, you know, that you see these uh

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the you see the and I'll use an agriculture, you see these hay bales like this really nice hay bail, you don't see everything that goes in to

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tilling and planning and spraying and fertilizing and cutting and bailing

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stacking And it's the whole deal, right? Yeah. It's the whole And then ranching is the whole deal. Like it's great. You

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see this beautiful steak on your plate, but like I know what goes into it. And it's it's

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not easy, right? And so with him, I think we can speak truth. I think we can support I don't think it's

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our job to crush dreams just because we don't think like people have done for us. Um I think we can challenge I think we

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can challenge them in that like, hey, are you getting close to your goal today? Yeah. I don't think it's I don't think

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it becomes our goal. I think there's parents too that like they have that goal or they hear their kids say it one

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time and it becomes their goal for someone else. Yeah. And I don't think that that's that's a a

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fair uh pressure to put on, especially kids. Yeah. Um but but I I I think speaking truth uh

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without crushing spirit is really important. Yeah. because you can let them chase

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that and if they miss if even if they miss a little bit think about how much progress and growth happened to get even

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to the point where you miss by just a little bit. I mean, you know, my my daughter, she

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went through a little rough time, uh, you know, as a freshman, like most freshmen do, and and she said in the

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span of two months, she aged 10 10 months is what, you know, was her. But I mean, I think it's like that. I I

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do want to um I do want to um

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I do want to actually one thing I'll say about the kids.

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So my role with the kids I

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you know I don't know if you know but and I write about it which I I still don't know why I wrote wrote about it

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cuz I'm not cured at all in respect to going through that but he went through a

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seizure disorder when he was young my son and it was a it's a weird age. It's four. It's like four.

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Because uh when your kids are born, they have every possibility.

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Yes. Every possibility. Like you're six-month-old. You're like, "Oh, you're going to be the next president of the United States."

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Like you just you have everything in the world for them. And then what you realize, and it is disappointing as a parent

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actually, I don't think the parents actually have goals. I think the ones that didn't play football have goals, but

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I agree. You know, I they're coming in because of something they didn't get. But I think most people just have this broad array

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and then the older they get and the shorter they are or the, you know, the smarter they're not or

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whatever it is, you narrow that gap. And so at four, he he has these intractable seizures.

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Like I'm literally like you can't eat, you know, you can't walk. We he used to

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say we used to say prayers. uh you know little gentle gentle Jesus making mile you know

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we and and the kids it was like the first thing they memorized right and he can't say it and we're

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prompting him we're like you know and he can't say it because seizing half the time he's on meds that make him dopey

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and and so that so your window of this like you're going to be the president of the United States you're going to you know

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be in the NBA you're going to be in all the like all these you're going to run this it all gets narrowed to you need

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you need to eat or you need to drink. You know what I mean? Yeah. And so, um I think that so what I what I changed

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to is that I'm not going to decide what you do. I'm going to let you pick what you love.

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You know, basketball, I don't know if it was the best for either of my kids because, you know, they're small. They're

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athletic, but they're small. And so I but I made the decision that we are

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going to decide how you do it. Our our motto and our our family is you

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know hard work is undefeated. So you don't you don't get to you don't get you get listen if you want to go and

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be you know if you want to sell drugs. I mean you know what I'm saying? Like whatever you're going to be

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you better be you better sling the most out of anybody. You better go like this is how our family rocks. And so like if you're

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going to pursue this goal, I'm not I'm never going to critic critique the goal. Yeah. But if you're not going to do the work,

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you need to change that goal because you need something where you're going to be able to do that. Sorry, I broke down on that

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one. No, don't. Are you kidding me? that is I mean as a parent and I and even with

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your medical background I can't imagine um being there with your first child and

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like what can I do like like you said the basic like you have these big dreams and aspirations and then you're broken

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down to which I think is an important lesson u but you're broken down to the bare essentials like what do we actually

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need like my my kid he doesn't need to be the president he doesn't need to be a professional athlete Yeah,

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he needs he needs love, support, food, and shelter, right? And then I think when we when we

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understand that and two years ago, our family theme was simplify. Like let's like let's try to cut out noise. Let's

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try to likew let's like really understand, okay, hey, what is important? What is the mission? Let's

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take care of that. Focus on that. show gratitude for that because we can get so

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quickly we can we can get so upset and down and negative because we didn't get

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that car we wanted or hey we didn't get the house or we couldn't uh you know buy that business or I didn't make that team

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or like my daughter this year she's trying out for volleyball again she made

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the A team on her seventh grade team last year but like she's been busy and hasn't played she's been in a bunch of

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stuff she didn't do select volleyball and travel and all the stuff what all these other girls are doing. like

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there's there's only so much um value you can

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put into those things when in reality think about what has actually is provided for us and what we have helped

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provide for our family and showing gratitude in that I think allows us then

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to appreciate the other stuff how they should be because we just take for granted all these incredible things just

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being born in America just living just living in FL we just

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in in North America. I mean, you know, I'll throw Canada in America. At least at least at least Toronto, not

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Edmonton. Yeah, if you're from Regina, like you get it, right? Being born in America is the lottery. But um but yeah,

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there's so many things that we're just so ungrateful for.

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And traveling overseas is a really I if I could encourage any parents that have kids that are old enough or mature enough to go to some of

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these places and depending on what you do. We took our daughter to Ghana, Africa two years ago and um you know we went

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there um Lake Volulta is there's a ton of child slavery in the fishing industry

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there. So, we went uh with an organization that my wife and I are are heavily involved with, JM, International

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Justice Mission, and they combat human slavery, trafficking, abuse. And so,

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essentially, they protect the unprotected is is their is their mission. Um, and so anyways, we went

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over there and what we didn't know is we went over there not only just for that like the fishing industry, but the

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chocolate industry, the cocoa industry. So Ghana and like the Ivory Coast, those are the like they produce those two

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countries like 85% of the world's cocoa comes out of those two countries and there's a huge problem there. But

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what what we did is we brought our daughter who was 11 at the time and the

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perspective shift that she got. We live in this bubble and I put this bubble over the United States and that's

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what's hard and I'm not going to get political. What's really hard about looking at culture is the entitlement

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and ungratefulness for what we do have. Like are there problems? Million%.

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But go somewhere that really has without like that will shift your perspective.

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And so back to your point, I do believe that experience you went through your son, I mean it does reset and and it

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does say okay like what what is important? Yeah. Like breath. Yeah. you know, food, shelter, and you

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know, love. I think those those are the things, right? So, so I have a I have a bunch of ideas

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about what your superpower is. But, uh, you know, in every show we ask people, you know, what what they think

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their superpowers is. And sometimes I accept it. So, sometimes I'm like, "Yeah, that's what it is. It sounds like it." But other times I push back.

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Um, so B, I mean, I've heard a lot more than I've ever heard about your story.

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But what what would you say your your super and it has to be it's one thing like it's not like

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I'm on time and you know whatever. Yeah. Um I think I think mine is uh

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connecting with people and I think uh God's given me the

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ability to connect with all different types of people. Um I I can connect with

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kids.

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I can connect with um CEOs. I can walk into a room. I can

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connect with CEOs. I can connect well with old school ranchers. I can connect

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with professional athletes. Um and I and I used to think that it was

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a curse when I was young and I I talked like to FCA, right? And I and part of my

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testimony was like I was a chameleon. I could literally blend in in any situation and any group of people. Um,

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but I I don't know if that's a curse. Like I think if you're you're sacrificing your own values to belong to

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any and every group, like I don't think that that's great. But I do believe that I can I can figure out a way to connect

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with very very different people. Um, and I and maybe there's a deeper root to that. Maybe it's um

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I don't know. It's hard because when you say superpower, right? That's hard for me to know. But I would say I would say that that

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probably is is is one of mine. So I'm going to I'm going to I I I I

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will accept that. Okay. But I think that um you mentioned Chameleon. Chameleon.

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That was that that was I was going to say something about the chameleon. Yeah. So well I'm gonna say it after. So

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I think Chameleon is incomplete. Yeah. cuz chameleons are usually

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isolated and they're usually usually changing for protection. Yeah. Or they're changing to,

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you know, but I'm going to give you a different one. Okay. And actually, it's it's uh I'm giving it

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to you because I think I I I think it's one of mine. It's not my main superpower, but I think it's something

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that I and it's it's its duty. M you you what struck me about this entire

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conversation and not just our just our working together and our you know just even times we you

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know go to dinner and hang out we still got to do the dinner thing. I've been bad about that but me too.

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But your your sense of duty like everything you talk about

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is is besides the the you know getting tackled and like oh I want to do this. Yeah. is all about your responsibility

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and I think you get pleasure. I think you actually get because your superpower has to make you happy.

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Yeah. You can't have a superpower. People say, "Oh, you know, I do this thing." If it doesn't make you happy, if you can't do

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it without losing track of time. Yeah. Then it's not really a superpower. Super Marin doesn't fly.

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Yeah. And say, "Oh, let me stop. I'm tired." He's just fly. He's chilling. He's on his bed. You know, he's doing all he's Karen Lois. He's he's doing all kind of

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stuff cuz he's happy when he's doing it. So to me, what I see brings you great pleasure, it reinvigorated you after you

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went through your 40 days and 40 nights after you didn't get drafted is that duty and responsibility to

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somebody that believed in you. Yeah. And I think now even you talk about kids, the duty and and the and the

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work that we've done together in business, you know, you I mean, shoot, I don't even know I don't know how much I don't

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think you even made that much on our deal, but you but you're you're you respond like you're making $500 million.

27:06

So, I don't know. But yeah, I I think you're I think you're on I think you're I think you're right on. Um I think you're right on. And I think

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I think my wife would agree with you on that one, too. like just knowing me and and um because in my industry in in my

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day job and I wear I'm wearing a lot of hats right now. For sure Jamaican, right? For sure.

27:29

Hey Tyler, we're changing his name to Tyler. Tyler. Hey, but in Jamaica you in

27:35

Jamaica you have to have a different name. Jamaicans always name you something different. Okay. Yeah. So your name will be Tyler and

27:41

they'll call you like Phil or you know. Oh Ju just cuz. Yeah. Like my my uncle is Uncle Lloyd.

27:46

Uhhuh. We call him Docky. Okay. Makes It's just do stuff like that. So, we got to find a Jamaican name for Okay,

27:54

I'm in. I'm in. Uh, but yeah, I I think so because it does, right? It it does

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drive me and I have a lot of clients that um like re talk about revenue and

28:09

and Vuitity is is not one of them, right? Um, vituitity is there's just joy

28:15

because it's it's a different group of people, right? Corporate America, it's it's not it's not real pretty out

28:21

there, right? But like it's different working with the team because of the culture I think that leadership has

28:27

established throughout. Um, but yeah, I just make a very little money like for

28:34

some of these clients, but it's just like I I just want to serve that group and I want them to be successful. To me,

28:40

the fulfillment is if like doing a podcast in a studio, in an

28:46

office that like, hey, we decided, hey, this is the right fit. Driving up and seeing how different this is, the stuff

28:52

we talked about, hey, that's going there, that's going there, that's going there. How this is built up into like be a much better place than when we than

28:58

when you first moved in. The vision of that, that's the stuff that I mean, you were you I mean, just so

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everybody knows, we were considering several places. as Tyler walked us through it and this one fit fit Palm.

29:09

The only thing is he didn't get the the Big 12 got their sign on the front of the building

29:15

and he didn't negotiate that for us. That that was a miss. That was a for sure miss.

29:21

Okay. So So we're going to find out. You mentioned what your wife would say. So we we're gonna we're gonna call her.

29:27

Let me call her real quick. Uh it's Tiffany is my wife's name. Okay.

29:29

Hi. Hello. Hey, you're live on the air with Moo

29:48

Tomlinson. [Laughter] I'm just kidding. How's it going, baby?

29:55

Good. How are you? Good. Good. Hey, you got Moo on here as well. Hey, how are you?

30:00

Hi. Good. Well, great great great to meet you and I want to apologize ahead of

30:05

time for taking up your time, but also I have been threatening to to come out and

30:11

and uh have dinner with y'all. So, I apologize for that since I moved here a year and a what two months ago. So, I've

30:17

been I've been a terrible friend. No, we we are just as guilty. Well, we understand. We completely

30:23

understand things like that. So, whenever you're ready, we would love to have you. Awesome. Awesome. Well, we do have a

30:29

question for you if that's okay. Yes. And so one of the things on our depends on the question. It depends on the question. I I see I

30:36

see I see I see why you married her. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So we uh so on this podcast we talk

30:42

about uh people's superpower, right? We ask them, hey, you got to pick one. You know, it can't be that I'm on time or it

30:48

can't be that I Well, she would tell you that it's definitely not it. It's not. You were on time today. I was. I was. Yeah. But um what would

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you say that his superpower is that thing that he does that no one else can do that um you know makes his impact on

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the world that much greater? Oh gosh, he has so many. Um,

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I would probably say if I had to pick one and only one, um,

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I would think Tyler's superpower is the way that he,

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um, gosh, there's so many words. I was going to say

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he leads probably leader because he leads um in such a beautiful way in all

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aspects like he um is an incredible leader of our home. He leads our boys

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and their teams both on and off the field um in faith and um dedication and

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the way that um they play sports and in their faith and

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um I've just never seen someone in his workplace the way that he walks into a

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room and demands not by necessarily his personality but just who he is he just

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the respect that he displays, the leadership that he displays. Um, he

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never gives up. He's just just like he does it all and he doesn't complain. I

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mean, it's kind of amazing and I've just always really admired that about him.

32:28

That's awesome. That's awesome. What do you think when you react? Is it weird that I started I'm a sweater normally, but I just started really

32:34

sweating when she started saying nice things about me. You look so uncomfortable right now. Hey, baby. Thank you. That was

32:41

It's hard. That was kind. Oh, good. It's hard with Tyler because he he just really does um have a lot of

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superpowers. Like I could be funny and say like his strength both physically

32:54

and emotionally, but um I just think the leader one is probably

33:00

Yeah. Okay. Well, since since you have a lot, give us give us one more. Give us one more because I I feel like you're

33:06

Sher, I want you to tell her after she does this next one. I want you to share what you said. Okay. Okay.

33:12

Okay. I would say just his strength. He not only is physically strong, but he's

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mentally strong. I um am very opposite of Tyler in both of those. But um I've

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never seen someone that it doesn't matter how hard something is, he like

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physically can do everything. Even if it's miserable, he'll still push through it. and you look at him and you like our

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youngest used to call him Hulk and um because he's just he looks so strong but

33:45

he truly is actually strong in like all ways. Um and I just feel like that really is

33:51

like a superpower. That's awesome. I you know I've spent a little time with him obviously um you

33:57

know he helped us find our office. He also helped you know get my really expensive pool. Um and um you know also

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uh also real estate I mean find my house I mean he helped me with that. Um, but the thing that I in meeting him and

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talking to him now, you know, we connected. I feel like, you know, in many ways we're soulmates. Obviously,

34:17

you know, I lived in Fresno for 20 years, so we have that connection. But my impression of his him is his sense of

34:24

duty is so strong. Like just his duty like you know his commitment to you, his

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commitment to the family, to the kids, to faith, to leadership, to football, to

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you know this job. like it almost like it seems like he gets reinvigorated when

34:41

he has a sense of purpose and a sense of duty to something or someone and I you know that's so that's what I thought you

34:48

know that's my my initial read but that's you know I haven't known him for you know for a long you know 30 years

34:55

no that's so good that's what's hard is like it really there's just I feel like there's he has a lot

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it's hard to pick one but I love what you saw because that's 100% true Yeah. Awesome. Awesome. Well, we appreciate

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your time. We know you're busy and thank you for indulging us.

35:13

Oh, absolutely. But yeah, no, time would not be his superpower.

35:20

Well, hey, now that I got to explain I got to explain this is like work meetings, stuff like that.

35:26

I'm I'm I'm there. It's it it's just the the stuff that

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when I played, right, it was a it was a $5,000 fine if you were late, right? So, I was always on edge. Like, I'd lose

35:38

sleep about being on time and all that. And so, then when it was done, it was like,

35:43

I can check. Okay. We we walk into church and they've already started worship. Like, what are

35:48

they going to do? Find me $5,000? Like, it's just a different might be a little more severe. Yeah.

35:54

Coming from church, though. That's eternity. You're You're exactly right. You're right.

36:00

Exactly. Oh, I'mma use that one. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, we we are going to let

36:06

you go because he is sweating profusely because you're making him nervous. Yeah. Thanks, Dave. 15 years later, here

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we go. Still nervous. Awesome. Well, we appreciate you. Thank you so much.

36:18

All right. Love you, babe. Yes. Love you. Bye. Bye. That's awesome,

36:25

dude. You really got nervous. I did. I just when she starts when she starts like saying things about me, I'm

36:31

always like uncomfortable cuz I'm like I don't know. And and again, I think that's a I guess I can take these off

36:37

now. Um I think I I'm still something that I wrestle

36:42

with. You talk about like vulnerability and all that. Like I that's something that I'm learning now because I was never I've never wanted to show that.

36:48

But with her, my struggle is I still feel like I have to continue to earn her love. M

36:54

and that's and that is um that's something like in my faith that I've always had a struggle with is and that's

37:02

opposite of what the gospel says, right? And and and so but even with her, right,

37:11

I I still feel like I've got to earn it. And so anytime she starts to say that stuff, it's just weird to me because

37:17

it's totally different mindset, right? So I'm going to disagree with your wife and I'm going to disagree with you. Your

37:23

superpower is duty. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, just you just you just went back

37:28

to it. Yeah. I see it. Yeah. What do you think, Jordan? No, I agree. It's it's it's literally

37:34

what he was talking about at the beginning at the beginning of the podcast that he the what drove him was, you know, he

37:40

didn't want to fail other people. You told me you started the conversation with I have a problem with not wanting to let

37:47

people down. That's your that's your superpower. Yeah. And it manifests through leadership. It manifests through connection. It

37:53

manifest. But it's it's all that's that's awesome. That's awesome. No, that's see wisdom right there, man.

37:56

You got it. Okay, so now Okay, so now you're through. You're fighting through. How do you get to the Cowboys, man? Like

38:05

just keep grinding again. Just moves and um so right after the UFFL season, um I I got signed by

38:12

Cleveland. Yeah. To their practice squad. Um, Eric Manini was the head coach there who was on

38:19

staff with Bellich and my head coach from college at the Browns

38:24

back back in the day. All these connected, right? So then he came back and he was a head coach there and he was

38:32

wired under that Bellich mindset and so what he liked is he liked the fact that I played defense most of my career and

38:39

then just learned fullback. So them signing me to P Squad um was okay, he

38:45

can be linebacker on scout and he can be fullback on scout. So the more you can do.

38:51

So that was great. Uh signed there and that was that was just a such a cool experience honestly like finally inside

38:57

of like a locker room. Um and it was it was surreal. It was it was w and I love Cleveland. Like I

39:04

didn't know anything different but I loved it there. Um and and so yeah went there. That was the lockout year. Yeah.

39:11

Um going into the lockout year, so we didn't have an off seasonason. Um and so

39:17

again, all the all the things, new staff, Manini got fired. Uh Pat Shurmer was

39:23

hired as a head coach. Um and uh a whole new staff, but like I got close that off

39:29

seasonason because Colt McCoy was the was the quarterback, Pton Hillis was a running back. Um you know, remember

39:35

Cribs, Josh Cribs? Um it's just a great group of guys and we we couldn't do

39:42

organized workouts so we'd all like travel to Austin. Um, you know, Colt would put workouts together at UT. And,

39:49

uh, anyways, great off season, going to going to camp feeling good, having learned a new offense, more West Coast

39:56

style offense. They draft they ended up drafting a kid. The coaching staff didn't know who I was. They drafted a

40:01

kid um, out of Stanford, Owen Maurice. Um, he's a doctor actually now. Really?

40:07

Yeah. Super super intelligent, but he was a two-way guy. He has, I think, the NCA record for um he's the

40:15

only player to have a touchdown on two consecutive back-to-back plays. Oh, wow. So, he scored a touchdown as a fullback,

40:22

it kicked off and then on first down he had a pick six. Wow. Wow. So, which is wild, right? But great guy.

40:29

Um and and had a really I personally had a really good camp. Gary Brown was a

40:35

running back coach. um you know, he passed away a couple years ago and

40:40

awful, but he um he really liked me and wanted me to wanted me to play there. And then the special teams coach really

40:46

liked me as well and went through camp uh and there just wasn't a roster spot.

40:52

I mean, you can't carry two fullbacks in the league now. And so they signed me to practice squad and then, you know, there's that window

40:59

that other teams can come claim you off of waiverss. Um I cleared that but had a bunch of calls and Chicago called me and

41:06

they said hey we want to sign you act this is on Tuesday uh sign you our active roster um like and you're

41:13

starting on Sunday uh Miami did the same and then um but I went back to Cleveland

41:20

because I again duty loyalty right you mentioned that I went back to them because I was super appreciative they

41:25

really did treat me well yeah um you know there's there's just decisions that they have to make roster-wise that like it is what it is.

41:32

He was a third round pick. Like can't not be on the active roster. And so um so I went in I you know say

41:39

hey look here's what's going on. Just want to give you guys heads up. And they're like we don't want to lose you. We're going to find an active spot for

41:45

you. It can't be it won't be this week. We'll pay you full salary. Like we'll do all these things. Like we want you to

41:50

stay. And I was like it feels kind of nice to be wanted you know. And again wisdom of my wife. She goes

41:58

26 years old now. like probably got to get some active Yeah. active games in.

42:03

Yeah. And like she didn't know anything about football before she met me and now she's like dang near my agent. If she'd have been my agent, I'd probably still be

42:10

playing for real. And so, uh, anyways, I ended up going to Chicago starting. And again, Mike Marts,

42:17

uh, you you know, go back to the Rams, greatest show on turf. Um, he was offensive coordinator there.

42:23

Matt Forte is a running back and he and I still to this day are like super super close. That's awesome.

42:28

Had a great year. And yeah, we got to spend six years in the NFL and um you know, ultimately ended up in Dallas. It

42:35

wasn't easy. It was still like Cleveland to Chicago week one my first year um or

42:42

my second year I guess. And then uh I was traded from Chicago a uh after my I

42:48

started that whole year, traded to Houston from Chicago and then the next year I was traded to Miami from Houston

42:55

week one. So all of these are week ones. Wow. So, and then and then I was released in Miami after week five. Uh,

43:03

bunch of defense. Anyways, I got released and um and and then came to Dallas who

43:08

Gary Brown that was with the Browns was the running back coach here. So, again,

43:14

connections, right? Small community and finished my last three seasons here. And so, it was uh man, it was it was a great

43:20

ride and ultimately, you know, fell in love with Texas, fell in love with with Dallas and stuck here. That's awesome, man. I mean, Dallas is a

43:27

great I think it has everything. Uh, you know, you can like you can be on a ranch. Yeah.

43:33

You can, you know, be a rancher. You can also go to a, you know, Boutang Clang was here the other day. I went to the

43:38

concert. Come on. Over here at Toyota. Yeah. Nice. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, so I mean, I feel like it it has everything.

43:46

It's diverse in ways that I didn't think a city that I didn't think it was before moving here. Yeah. Yeah. optics are, you know, big

43:54

blonde hair and oil and it's like that's not what Dallas is. That's not what Dallas is at all.

43:59

Well, listen. I mean, I I appreciate you coming

43:59

Before we go, I want you

44:06

um if you if you had one thing. So, what I'm trying to do with this,

44:11

we talked about it a little bit before, but I want to bring different worlds together. Obviously, I didn't ask you a

44:18

healthcare question. Mhm. I could have asked you a healthare question. What do you think of the state of healthcare,

44:23

but for me being a healthcare CEO and having lived my life in so many

44:29

different portions that weren't healthcare, I see solutions in other areas and ways

44:35

of doing things in other areas that I think we can apply to healthcare. Yeah. So, I mean, I joke and tell people I was a

44:40

I was a rapper till I was about, you know, 16. uh cuz DJ in college and then

44:46

thought I was going to be, you know, had it in my mind to be a professional athlete. Obviously didn't go as far as you did, but

44:52

um but all of those there's so many lessons from all of those experiences that I feel like in business and

44:59

especially in healthcare, we block those out. Yeah. So other people are doing podcasts about, oh, what are the eight ways we

45:05

can fix healthare? Oh, there's this big beautiful bill. What do we do with that? How do we navigate? And I think it is important at some level to get that

45:11

nitty-gritty. But I also think you know understanding that you know what's been given to you

45:17

is that a thing you give up. You know your sense of duty and responsibility. All of those things apply to hopefully

45:24

everybody listening to this can say wow Tyler just blew my mind and you know gave us great knowledge. So,

45:30

but with that, yeah. What is one thing that you would you want to leave with people,

45:36

you know, you know, if they listening or watching this podcast that that that you

45:41

would want them to, you know, to to walk away with? Yeah. Um,

45:47

man, I I think I think be very careful to not be shortsighted. Um, we're so

45:54

enamored with instant gratification in our culture. um

45:59

really really focus on like long term like what that is be patient um you know

46:06

patience is something you know patience is a virtue like we that we don't have as a culture

46:12

um I think anything anything that's worth having takes time and and in my

46:19

experience there's a reason that it took three full years for me to get in the NFL because if I had gotten into the NFL

46:25

right out of college I wouldn't played until I was 32. I was was lucky enough to play like e even though it was slid

46:32

back um I wasn't mature enough and I hadn't learned the lessons that I needed to learn to be ready to handle that. Um

46:39

it's the same with anything else. Like there's there's a reason um you know that you went through the path you know

46:46

with with college sport, college basketball and then medical school and then getting in you know as a as a

46:53

physician and then getting into management kind of figuring out because that was all preparing you to be the

46:58

best leader. Um and looking at that and and also in that when you look at um

47:06

when you look at people people are the most valuable asset I don't care what you say about AI people are the most

47:11

valuable asset on the planet and so how you invest in people is what is most

47:16

important and I would love to get to a place where fully and I believe it but

47:22

like fully every every cell in my body believes that I'm investing into

47:28

something that will flourish after I'm gone, right? And like I think that's a

47:34

mindset as a culture. If we could get to that place, I just think of how much better I think of, and this is kind of a

47:39

weird analogy, but like think of like Louis the 13th, like this liquor, right? That's like $1,500 an ounce. And it's

47:47

terrible. I'm going be honest. It's terrible. But the creator of of Louisie the 13th started this process, built

47:54

this company knowing that no one was going to drink that until 200 years

47:59

after he passed away. Wow. Like creating something like that. So just I just think investing in something

48:05

bigger than yourself um there's so much more fulfillment because if um and look

48:12

people are wired differently and but I just to me is investing in people loving

48:18

on people um and and showing other people they have value

48:24

in um so much more than just what they do. Yeah. So many athletes, executives,

48:30

military, like they're so wrapped up in like my value is dictated on what I do. And that's not who your value is. That's

48:37

not who your identity is, right? It's in so much more. So that would just be my encouragement encouragement. Look look

48:43

beyond the immediate. Look beyond look at okay, what does the big picture look

48:48

like and what's that legacy that I want to leave living on beyond? That's awesome. That's awesome. So

48:55

again, remember whether you don't get chosen to be the CEO,

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um whether you spend three years trying to pursue your dream, you know, your path is your path and stay committed,

49:06

stay focused, be, you know, be disagreeable, optimistic, and relentless. I want to thank Tiffany's husband

49:14

for coming on podcast today. I appreciate you. No, I appreciate you, man. I love it.

49:20

All right. Appreciate awesome. That's a great man, man.